Conspiracy against Kumar Sanu in 2004, How long will you tolerate it? Options

[Nimii]

MYAWAN!! no no not any more like I told you, we have very many voices singing ...

N :|

[anurag]

[Nimii]

I dont agree with you about most singers these days are rubbish (MINUS SONU)

N

[extenok]

Ok, so what Nimi means is that if Shaan is rubbish then so is Sonu.
Strange way of going about it, but it just needed some clarification.

If it is accepted that today's music scene is not favouring one artist and the songs are known for the songs they are and not for who sang them, then how do you explain that so many songs sung by Sonu are being classified as Sonu songs and are hits.

Satrangi Re (Dil Se)
Tera Jadoo Chal Giya (title song)
Khamoshiyaan Gungunaane Lagiin (1, 2 ka 4)
Accha Sila Diya Tu Ne (Bewafa Sanam)
Panchii Nadiiyan (Refugee)
Tanhai (Dil Chahta Hai)
Saathiyaa (title song)
Good Morning (Khushi)
Jaage Jaage (Mere Yaar ki Shaadi Hai)
Yeh Dil (Pardes)
Kuch Qasmein (Aankhein)
Sandese Aate Hain (Border)
Chalte Chalte (title song)
Gumshuda (Chalte Chalte)
Suraj Hua Maddham (KKKG)
Rehna Hai Tere Dil Mein (title song)
Na Milo Kahin Pyar (Badal)
Yaar Mangiyasi (Kaante)
Kal Ho Na Ho (title song)
Ek Din Kahin (Aur Pyar Ho Gaya)
Hum Se Rahoge (Aur Pyar Ho Gaya)
Rabba Mere (Mujhe Kuch Kehna Hai)
Tu Hawa Hai (Fiza)
Kismat Se Tum (Pukar)
Makhmali Badan (Road)
Zindagi Maut Na (Sarfarosh)
Tera Rang Balle Balle (Soldier)
Mera Rang De (Legend of Bhagat Singh)
Pehli Pehli Baar (Sangharsh)
Ab Mujhe Raat Din (Sangharsh)
Pyar Se Pyare Tum Ho Sanam (Deewangee)
Ishq Bina (Taal)
Javed Bhai So Re Le (Jaani Dushman)
Pyar Hone Laga Hai (Jaanasheen)
Allah Allah (Jeena Sirf Mere Liye)
Chalte Chalte (Kaash Aap Humaaray Hote)
Kaash Aap Humaaray Hote (title song)
Dil Dooba (Khakee)
Aslam Bhai (Love Ke Liye Kuch Bhi Karega)
Main Hoon Na (title song)
Tumse Mili Nazar (Mein Madhuri Dixit Banna Chahtii Hun)
Aasman (Mast)
Ruki Ruki (Mast)
Mela Dilon Ka (Mela)
Do Pyaar (Jungle)
Sab Kuch Bhula Diya (Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam)
Allah Kare Dil Na Lage (Andaaz)
Rabba Ishq Na Hove (Andaaz)
Ban Ke Tera Jogi (Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani)
Kambakth Ishq (Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya)
Pyaar Tune Kya Kiya (title song)
Waqt Ka Saaya (Filhaal)
Aate Jaate Jo Milta Hai (Har Dil Jo Pyar Karaiga)
Ye Unn Dinon Ki Baat Hae (Tumse Achha Kaun Hae)
What is Mobile Number (Haseena Maan Jayegi)
Yeh Kya Ho Raha Hai (Hum Kisise Kam Nahin)
Dhalne Lagi Hai Raat (Inteha)

And all this I could sum up while not being a Sonu fan, imagine if Anurag started on this.
Same is true for a lot of Abhijeet & Udit Narayan songs. So, what I am implying here is that you can't say that today's songs are known for the songs they are and not for their singers. The singer factor is undoubtedly there.

[Nimii]

[extenok]

hits for a period of time.. and then they are forgotten

Sorry if I fail to see the wisdom in your one-line argument, but I was expecting a little more.

Wouldn't you say that this is also true for a lot of other songs, even the oldies. No one can expect to remain immortal through his or her songs. How many Rafi songs are unheard of by the average listener. Isn't that close to being forgotten. How many cultures and civilizations have been destroyed since man's existence on this planet why should songs be considered any different.

Do you mean to tell me that there is a rule for a hit song to remain unforgotten for a period of time and only then can it be termed a hit song? Or, do you mean to say that there is no such thing as a hit song because everything will be eventually forgotten or cease to exist?

[kurtcobain]

it is absolutely true that there is a major conspiracy against kumar sanu

time and time again,
-kumar sanu's songs are not included in movies
-despite delivering hits with a banner, he is not included in their forthcoming ventures
-he is nominated for awards which are not given to him (while his female co-singers often win for the same song)

the main reason for all this is Mrs smita thakeray, yes, daughter-in -law of bal thakeray,

here are a few things she has done publicly
-buys every single cassete in which sonu nigam sings
-threatened kumar sanu to pay more money to his divorced wife(which he did)
-has been instrumental in sonu dubbing over kumar sanu in many songs(including panchi nadiya)

and few things she doesn't do so publicly:
-reccomends(pressurises), banners to use sonu( and not use sanu)
-arrange filmfare awards for sonu nigam
but she was explicit enough to be GUEST OF HONOUR in the last two filmfare awards

apart from the smita thakeray factor, the proximity of karan johar and sonu nigam also playes a major role.i hate to cause offence to sonu fans, but i feel that sonu is the kind of person who will make any sort of alliance to get to the top.

in my opinion, kumar sanu is still the only singer in mainstream music, who has the depth in his voice to bring REAL feelings into songs, he has the same quality that his mentor jagjit singh has(after all, it was jagjit singh who gave sanu his first ever song in 'aandhiyaan')

to me udit is great for fast peppy numbers, ,KK and shaan are good for breezy cool numbers and sonu gives life to school-time crush/infatuation songs, but if you are talking REAL DEPTH, then kumar sanu is second to none.

i'm sorry if i hurt anyones feelings

[mudit_mehta]

Nice reading your feelings curt, so good that no one offends any of the fellow members.

Enjoy this marvellous number by KS, its tops the list of my fav. from KS bag.... though I am not a KS fan but can vouch for this number..... it would have been too difficult for any singer to give justification to this beautiful composition by M.M Kreem..

Enjoy !!

cheers.. Mudit

[Nimii]

hits for a period of time.. and then they are forgotten

Sorry if I fail to see the wisdom in your one-line argument, but I was expecting a little more.

Wouldn't you say that this is also true for a lot of other songs, even the oldies. No one can expect to remain immortal through his or her songs. How many Rafi songs are unheard of by the average listener. Isn't that close to being forgotten. How many cultures and civilizations have been destroyed since man's existence on this planet why should songs be considered any different.

Do you mean to tell me that there is a rule for a hit song to remain unforgotten for a period of time and only then can it be termed a hit song? Or, do you mean to say that there is no such thing as a hit song because everything will be eventually forgotten or cease to exist?

Imran,

I agree with you as regards both oldies and new ones to some extent.. but tell me 10 years from now how many of the songs of 80s and 90s will be remembered?? But take for eg some of the oldies of 50s and 60s - THEY ARE STILL FRESH IN OUR MEMORY. Ofc I dont blame the singers.. it is the music in general that has changed over the period of time.



<<Or, do you mean to say that there is no such thing as a hit song because everything will be eventually forgotten or cease to exist?>>

To some extent yes! Atleast to me hehehe Really I have forgotten so many of the songs of 90s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bahut zor se yaade ko tazaa karna padta hai

N

[Nimii]

it is absolutely true that there is a major conspiracy against kumar sanu

time and time again,
-kumar sanu's songs are not included in movies
-despite delivering hits with a banner, he is not included in their forthcoming ventures
-he is nominated for awards which are not given to him (while his female co-singers often win for the same song)

the main reason for all this is Mrs smita thakeray, yes, daughter-in -law of bal thakeray,

here are a few things she has done publicly
-buys every single cassete in which sonu nigam sings
-threatened kumar sanu to pay more money to his divorced wife(which he did)
-has been instrumental in sonu dubbing over kumar sanu in many songs(including panchi nadiya)

and few things she doesn't do so publicly:
-reccomends(pressurises), banners to use sonu( and not use sanu)
-arrange filmfare awards for sonu nigam
but she was explicit enough to be GUEST OF HONOUR in the last two filmfare awards

apart from the smita thakeray factor, the proximity of karan johar and sonu nigam also playes a major role.i hate to cause offence to sonu fans, but i feel that sonu is the kind of person who will make any sort of alliance to get to the top.

in my opinion, kumar sanu is still the only singer in mainstream music, who has the depth in his voice to bring REAL feelings into songs, he has the same quality that his mentor jagjit singh has(after all, it was jagjit singh who gave sanu his first ever song in 'aandhiyaan')

to me udit is great for fast peppy numbers, ,KK and shaan are good for breezy cool numbers and sonu gives life to school-time crush/infatuation songs, but if you are talking REAL DEPTH, then kumar sanu is second to none.

i'm sorry if i hurt anyones feelings

No No Kurt. You havent hurt anyone's feelings I am so glad you have brought forth so many things that we were not aware of. I really didnt know that Mrs.S T has so much role !!!!!!!!!! Arghhh !

That is real sad

N

[suhana_safar]

I dont think any present singer is ribbish. It would be unfair to compare them with some someone legendry as Rafisaab or Mukesh or Kishore Kumar.

However these singers have their own sets of skills and styles which many of us may not like as we expect them to sing like legends.

Also I agree that average listeners may not remember every song of Rafisaab however there are listeners like me who gover head over heels whenever they hear Rafisaab. Its not about the songs its about the voice.

Coming back to Kumar Sanu. He is not a bad singer just like others around but they all have limitations which is fair no one can be a Mohammed Rafi...a complete flawless versatile singer.

I believe all the present singers are good enough and so is Kumar Sanu and if he is really good no amount of politics and manupulations will hold him back.

[Pradeep]

No No Kurt. You havent hurt anyone's feelings I am so glad you have brought forth so many things that we were not aware of. I really didnt know that Mrs.S T has so much role !!!!!!!!!! Arghhh !

That is real sad

N

lol.. no wonder Feroze Khan sings so many Shayaris on her in Filmfare shows. Maska Chaska..a...

[Nimii]

No No Kurt. You havent hurt anyone's feelings I am so glad you have brought forth so many things that we were not aware of. I really didnt know that Mrs.S T has so much role !!!!!!!!!! Arghhh !

That is real sad

N

lol.. no wonder Feroze Khan sings so many Shayaris on her in Filmfare shows. Maska Chaska..a...

Shux !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used always wonder what big role she has in film industry.. I was wondering why she and why not her husband. He does not seem to be involved in any of the bollywood news haina?

Oh god this is real sick

N

[kurtcobain]

I was wondering why she and why not her husband.

mrs thakerays husband is unfortunately no more,

Coming back to Kumar Sanu. He is not a bad singer just like others around but they all have limitations which is fair no one can be a Mohammed Rafi...a complete flawless versatile singer.

I agree with you as regards both oldies and new ones to some extent.. but tell me 10 years from now how many of the songs of 80s and 90s will be remembered?? But take for eg some of the oldies of 50s and 60s - THEY ARE STILL FRESH IN OUR MEMORY.

hmm, i am a avid rafi fan myself, actually i have sung rafi songs 7 times on stage, but i feel that it is unfair to compare singers of the past with todays singers. this is because we get exposed to every single song a new singer sings, including the rubbish ones, but how many of the 11,000 songs rafi sahab has sung have you heard, do you have the entire collection? i doubt it.
if comparisons are to be made, we should compare with evergreen songs of present singers, for example the song mudit bhai so generously offered, 'hum yahaan, tum yahaan', or even the other MM KREEM number, 'tum mile dil khile'

[nadir]

Sad but true !
Well, the reality is there in front of everyone. The stats are there to prove it. And the reality is that :
1) Love him or hate him, Kumar Sanu is already a great singer. His records, his awards, his achievements are there to prove it easily. One dont need to prove it anymore really.
2) Yes some politics going on these days against this great singer. Just see how many songs which have been dubbed by another singer, and also the number of songs which are not included in films these days. "Fida" is just the perfect exemple. Tips produced "Ishk Vishk" as Shahid's debut film which had many great Kumar Sanu songs. The film was a huge hit. Tips came again with Shahid but this time only one song from Kumar Sanu and that too was not included in the movie even though all reviews of the song were excellent. (No wonder the film is not faring well too).

Kumar Sanu will remain in our hearts forever. It is just sad that this legend singer is not getting his due in Bollywood. They are
forgetting the singer who dominated the whole decade of 90s.
Everyone knows too how other singers become "too sweet" in front of MD's to have a song or even get the support of Politicians,....
No doubt that Sonu, Udit, ...are good singers. They are famous because of their singing. But I just think that the industry's attitute should have been fair with Kumar Sanu...

Sad but true..

NADIR