Conspiracy against Kumar Sanu in 2004, How long will you tolerate it? Options

[babhrubaahan]

Dear Anurag,

I dont understand what is the problem with you. Well, I accept that in your great life, you did not see any other list of worst songs. But does this mean that one has to support conspiracies against Kumar Sanu? Just because some odd person out of her craziness created some disgusting list? I really dont see any relevance.
This list includes one song from Aashiqui and one song from DHKMN which are highly acclaimed albums. Any music lover would reject this list.

Regarding bashing other singers, KS lovers did not start it. I have seen Rafi fans who are die hard Kishore-haters and also Kishore-fans who are die hard Rafi-haters. They also leave no stone unturned to prepare worst song lists of Kishore and Rafi respectively. But since both Rafi and Kishore are dead, they have got the legends status. So, in spite of bashing Rafi and Kishore also, people ultimately agree that they were legends. Our Kumar Sanu is still alive and so people dont recognise him. After all, In India, people get recognition when they are too old or when they are dead. Kishore also got his recognition very very late.

[babhrubaahan]

Dear Kurtcobain,

Today I have spent almost whole day in this forum because I did not have much work today. But I feel tired now. I think I wasted my day here. I feel that only the KS lovers are being warned whenever they commit slightest of mistakes. Others easily get away. I dont know what is the crime of being a KS lover. I know that you have been spending your days in this forum. So, you must be even more tired now. You have observed things over longer period of time. Do you think we should continue here anymore if there is no justice?

[anurag]

all i can say to him is

'anurag, i thought that you were a decent guy, but i have now realised that you are the sickest of the lot, shame on you, you are a disgrace to all music lovers'

Dude, so far I have not made a single despiteful remark on you or even KS -- in fact, I even praised your song once saying that for an amateur singer, that was good to hear --my words of encouragement for you to sing more and further.

But now, you guys have crossed all the boundary of decency now. So, I'll talk in first person.

My posts have been so far backed up with assertions that none of you could ever deny. The cardinal rule of a debate is to first check one's premises and then present a theory substantiated with arguements and evidences. Your premises were illfounded and your arguements based on faulty reasoning as time and again Princeali, mudit and many others showed you but instead of having a debate, you guys kept making it a personal issue and started to label anyone who was presenting an arguement, as KS basher or hater.

However seeing this latest scoop of dirt hurled in my direction, I can say that someone who starts getting irritated listening to rafi's voice for too long a stretch, and to whom classical composition doesnt sound 'classical', because the voice is not shrill and clear, and who thinks that qualities of rafi's voice can be best attributed as high pitched voice with jerks, does not understand music a bit.

[princeali]

Any member who is posting any comments in this thread or in any other thread on HF are trying to portray their views across. I do not think they are purposely trying to harm KS or any of his fans in any way. Just because members do not agree with KS being a legend or are not a fan of his singing does not mean they are bashing him or doing any injustice to him. It is all a matter of opinion and this forum is a place where we can all share our views and opinions and participate in interesting discussions. Some KS fans make it seem as if all people participating in this forum should agree to things said in favour of KS and support the conspiracy theory against him, and if we don't then they try and make a person feel guilty by saying they are not "true music lovers" or what not. As Talaikya ji said, it is not going to make a difference wether anyone agrees with the conspiracy or someone makes a member agree with the conspiracy, at the end of the day it is not going to change anything, so why the big fuss about getting everyone to agree to it, and if they don't then they are labelled as non-music lovers or KS bashers etc, or that they have no heart etc., it is all a joke in the end.

Another aspect which is annoying is that if someone does not admit KS is a legend then they don't know anything about music. Who gave anyone the right to question a person's musical knowledge ?. In fact what I think is that someone who blindly posts that statement or statements related to that, themselves do not know alot about music or else they would not be posting such ridiculous comments. It is really sad to see that a place where we are supposed to be discussing about music and KS has turned into a battle of personal attacks and sides. It is also sad to see what Anurag bhai found out in that other webpage he visited. If you are a fan of a singer then you should not be going into a discussion page, and try bringing in politics associated with your fav. singer and getting people to agree to it. This forum is for discussion and an exchange of views/opinions and to find out knowledge about different aspects of music, in no way is it to involve everyone in a conspiracy/politics or to have any conspiracy against certain members of HF. I feel sorry for whoever wrote that statement on the other site aimed at certain members of this forum in order to promote KS.

One should note that all bad things that happen are not always the result of a conspiracy. As one member pointed out, just because KS is not getting songs these days does not necessarily mean people are trying to get him out of the industry. Maybe he is not getting songs because music directors or producers do not want to use him or maybe MD's want to use other talent. No one exactly can pinpoint the reason and find out why. So in that case, it is better for the KS fans to enjoy whatever they have of their fav singer and not try to pursuade others in this forum that injustice is being done. There is a difference between talking about it and talking+persuading other members about it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if one tries to convince the other, and that too with personal attacks, that is just crossing the line. If you want someone to agree with your views, then just state them and it is up to the other person to decide wether they agree or not.

I personally feel there is other talent out there and they should also be used instead of just a few singers. I do not know how KS received a good amount of songs in the last decade when there were other exceptionally talented people being left out, I guess more due to the producers and the MD's who KS must have been a fav. with because look at the situation now, it is a reversal and he is not receiving alot of songs, maybe because his time is up.

Anyways, there is no singer today who can carry the industry on their shoulders. If one singer is here today, another singer is there tommorow. The only singer who carried the industry was Rafi saab and after he passed away the industry collapsed and hasn't recovered since. The eighties were mediocre to say the least and though melody was somewhat revived in the nineties, the general state of music is still in a hole which is why you will see that old music albums are still outselling the newer songs and old songs of the golden era are mostly being played on the radio and tv shows whereas newer songs fade about a few months after their release unless ofcourse they have that extra something to sustain it.

Rafi saab's talent will never come again and comparing anyone to him or putting them in the same category with him is impossible and quite frankly a joke because no singer has been able to create such a demand and such a lasting impression as Rafi saab has and this is not only noted from his fans but from the industry as well. If you ask the majority of artists in the country, they will tell you Rafi saab is the ultimate and an institution. By writing that I mean comparisons are unnecessary but talking about your fav singer like KS fans do here is fine. If KS fans want to compare him to other singers, then it is their wish but IMO it should stick to current singers and not anyone from the past because comparisons of that nature will go no where. If anyone wants to talk about KS here, it is appreciated and it is perfectly okay as long as it is in good nature. All anybody was doing in this forum from before was giving out their opinions and it turned into a "war" ground instead of staying a discussion forum. Anyone can go to MAS, BBM or any other place and write down their views in favour or against that particular singer, it does not mean they are bashing that singer or degrading them so why is it being treated as the reverse here ?.

A good friend of my family's is a manager at the HMV head office in India and knows about other companies as well, and he mentioned to me a few months ago that almost every year Rafi saab has been the top seller at HMV and has been one of the top sellers at other companies as well, selling more than any singer old or new. All major music companies such as HMV, Polydor etc at that time lost out on major money when Rafi saab passed away but they have regained that all back and more as a result of his music still selling. With the way these sales are going, It is as if he is alive today. Now IMO that is what you call a true "legend", the ability to still create magic even 24 years after he has passed away and it shows why more people today are yearning for the music of the past because it was simply amazing quality.

The word "legend" that has been applied to KS or used in this thread has only been backed by personal opinions and no solid ground. His fans may think he is one and that is fine, but it is not a widely accepted opinion and once again it is wrong for some KS fans to try and make people accept that he is one. IMO I do not think he is one because his singing skills have not proved anything to me that he can carry that status, and popularity does not always mean legendary status, but if to his fans he is because they like him, then so be it, after all everyone has their own fav. singers and no one has the right to say anything about anyone's personal opinions.

This is a KS forum so let the KS fans discuss about their favourite singer as much as they want. Anyone can add to it if they want but not in a bad way. If anyone doesn't agree with anything that is being written than they can voice their views, after all this is a discussion page. It also works the other way too that KS fans should not take any views by anyone in a bad way. It is just a matter of opinion.
There is no room for personal attacks or any other bad comments on this forum against one another. Any such comments will be handled effectively by the Admin and we should all be respecting the Admin because after all they are the ones who are running the state of affairs.

Let me end off by quoting the divine diva Lata Mangeshkar :

"Music was orphaned the day Rafi saab passed away"

I could not have said it better myself

Cheers

Ali

[Bawra Jay]

Dear Mr. Bawara Jay,

Thanks for your explanations. Yes, we can ignore comments made by KS haters. But this way, you can not avoid yur responsibility. Would you do one thing? Just like the way you caution the KS lovers for making bad remarks, would you also caution the KS haters? One group will say whatever they like just because they are "seniors", "having more knowledge", "having experience to handle tensed situations" etc. blah blah blah... and the other group will have to measure each and every step just because they are "juniors", "less knowledgeable" and "having less experience to handle crunch situations"? Where is the justice then? When Suhana Safar wrote a notoriously bad message against Kurtcobain, there was no warning for him. When I protested and used an "abusive" word, then only both of us were cautioned. Where is the justice? Why do you have to wait for KS lovers to protest first? If you are really impartial, you should have warned Suhana Safar immediately after he posted his message.

Kurtcobain one was only warned where other was put under moderation...meaning he could not post any msgs here without ADMIN approval ? If you guys dont trust ADMINS of this Forums , may I ask why you even here ?

Listen man , I think I have never given so much explanations to anyone before here. Once said and people would list and accept ADMINS decisions , wrong or bad whatever....

[YaarMere]

"Music was orphaned the day Rafi saab passed away"

Brought a tear into my eye that did!!

Bless u Ali

[YaarMere]

Kurtcobain one was only warned where other was put under moderation...meaning he could not post any msgs here without ADMIN approval ?  If you guys dont trust ADMINS of this Forums , may I ask why you even here  ?

Listen man , I think I have never given so much explanations to anyone before here. Once said and people would list and accept ADMINS decisions , wrong or bad whatever....

U did wot?? Oh he is so not gonna be happy... God help u!

[Bawra Jay]

Dear ADMINS ,

I hate to see this TOPIC or THREAD go away from here , when it has spanned more than 50 pages , 245 postings and 6697 veiwing.

I apologize for insisting earlier to re-open this thread when we had already decided to close it down.

I am closing this thread , till you all make a final decision , to keep this atleast viewable or totally delete this thread and all postings under it.

I dont want to disappoint the KS fans and hate to see this wonderful discussion going away but I tried whole day today to control the situation over here but it seems no one would listen to me and started arguing and challenging us.

In the meantime no one should start any thread on such topics and if any of the ADMIN sees it , should remove it right away.

Thanks,
Jay

[Pradeep]

Dear Administartors,

Will you please tell me if someone bashes KS and KS lovers and we discuss among ourselves how to counter them, what is the wrong in it? How do you call it a conspiracy? Dont you find anything wrong in them, only in us?

If you find anything of that sort, simply click on report and bring it to our notice. If you report anything, it is our duty to look into it and find a solution. But instead, if you guys fight against each other with cheap words, dragging even legendary singers such as Rafi, Kishore etc., and then go ahead and do "Match the following" etc., how do you think the over all forum enviornment will turn to? You guys have embarked upon a very complex task of taking upon yourself the responsibility of bringing Kumar Sanu back to #1 playback singer. You will need much more patience and future vision to do that. Be humble. Humility always wins!

Dear Administrators,

When a foreign country attacks our own country and we arrange a meeting to counter the attacks, do you call this a conspiracy against the attackers?

If talks can solve it.....?

What hurts most is that KS fans used the legendary singer's names to get your purpose across. What made you guys think that you are not welcome if you are not a fan of legendary singers? Agreed that the purpose of HF is to give a stage for fans of legends and discuss and share information about these immortal personalities. But in no way HF is limited only to these fans. Everyone is welcome to HF - it is Hamara Forums (Our Forums), Ham Sab Ka forums and not Mera, Tera yaa Unka Forums.

If you've all would have come straight and asked for the support, that would have sounded more "fan-ly" than "cheating" your way in. As a fan of Rafi Sahab, I respect the concern of KS fans and they getting workedup bcoz of some politics against KS. But I do not approve of the techniques you guys are using to get your purpose across. You guys will end up only further maligning KS's reputation.

About politics in the Industry there is nothing new about it. It has been played earlier, it still exists and its gonna be in future also. You guys can read so much about these on HF and on our old forums.

I agree with Unni, when he says

I don't know anything about any conspiracy against Kumar Sanu. But the conspiracy against members of Hamara Forums is self-evident from the above.

I still can't understand Why?
Is this all because HF welcomes everybody's views? Is it because the membership is open to all? There are so many members who have created different IDs and are using the forum, not once did HF rule out their names publicly. If these kind of backstabing acts gets on, then there is no option but to close down new membership and make the forums available only to trusted members. HF admin group has always been friendly. Admins are here to help you and not to boss you. Everyone is free to voice out their opinion even if it is against admin. When I had earlier posted a joke Gangaram Ki Dhoti, ROM did not like it, I at once deleted it. The admin group is not baised towards anybody. We all have our personal preferences and have privilidged rights, but we don't use it to make life miserable to someone else or some group. At times our decisions seem harsh, bcoz we cannot make everyone happy, nobody can.

Admin group believes that if you guys would like to continue the conspiracy against KS, do it outside HF. We believe that this thread has been over used and as warned earlier, it would remain permanently closed. To have your voices heard, we are not deleting the thread. So it is readeable to music personalities who visit bollywood forums. I hope they get to see the thread.

You guys are welcome to use KS forum to discuss non-conspiracy issues regarding Kumar Sanu. If you guys feel that admins here are partial and you cannot follow the request, then I guess its time to say good-bye and part with a smile.