Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories, Romantic Sahir |
Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories, Romantic Sahir |
mmuk2004 |
Jun 2 2006, 07:45 PM
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Hi
I am starting a topic on Sahir Ludhianvi that has been posted in another forum before. It was started on his death anniversary, a nostalgia trip beginning with some of his romantic lyrics. Feel free to add on songs that make you feel mmmm....warm and woolly-headed , angry and passionate , sad and philosophical or just plain confused and... all those other complex emotions related to the thing called ...love??? Remembering him through his romantic duets: Situation: Dream Sequence. To expand upon it: the impoverished hero and the heroine express their love for each other in gorgeous surroundings, which would otherwise not be possible given the hero's depressing penury. Moreover the situation is literally a dream, which is not realised as the heroine later on opts for a more stable marriage with a well established publisher. Note the wonderful lyrics, the entire song is posed as question upon question with the female counteracting the male's romantic metaphors with her teasing counter images... Wonderfully captures the mood of the film and yet stands on its own as classic romantic chedkhani. Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to In zulfon mein goondege hum phool mohabbat ke Zulfon ko jhatak kar hum yeh phool gira dein to Hum aap ko kwaabon mein la la ke satayenge Hum aap ki aankhon se neendein hi uda de to Hum aap ke kadmon par gir jayenge ghas khakar Is par bhi na hum apne aanchal ki hawa dein to Hum aap ki aankon mein is dil ko basa dein to Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
mmuk2004 |
Jun 2 2006, 07:51 PM
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Scene: Rolling on the haystack singing in pristine urdu:
To expand upon it: Sahir to the rescue, counteracting the physical jiggling and wriggling with his verbal ones: Wonderful, playful intimacy expressed by the girl " khushamad pe itne majboor kyun ho...manane ki aadat kahan pad gayee, satane ki taleem kya ho gayee.... And the same song is played out once again when the couple is separated, this time the khafa is for real... What a song! Male:tumhari nazar kyun Khafa ho gayee Khata baksh do gar khata ho gayee Female:hamara irada to kuch bhi na tha tumhari khata khud sazaa ho gayee Male:Sazaa hi sahi aaj kuch to mila hai sazaa mein bhi ek pyar ka silsila hai mohabbat ka ab kuch bhi anjaam ho mulaqaat ki ek fiza ho gaye Male:tumhari nazar kyun Khafa ho gayee Khata baksh do gar khata ho gayee Female:hamara irada to kuch bhi na tha tumhari khata khud sazaa ho gayee Female: Mulaqat par itne magroor kyun ho Hamari khushamat pe itne majboor kyun ho Manane ki aadat kahan pad gayee Satane Ki taleem kya ho gayee Male:Satate na hum to manate hi kaise Tumhe hum apne nazdeek laate hi kaise Isi din ka chahat ko armaan tha Kubool aaj dil ki dua ho gayee Male:tumhari nazar kyun Khafa ho gayee Khata baksh do gar khata ho gayee "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
mmuk2004 |
Jun 2 2006, 07:54 PM
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Situation: 70s, An adorable Neetu Singh and an adorable Shashi Kapoor tickling each other, on a Jeep...
Music RD Burman... using the top of form voices of Kishore and Asha... One almost does not note the lyrics. Expanding on the scene: Pause and note.... The boy asks the girl to guess what he is thinking about. The girl's imagination in the first stanza, is dreamily romantic, Socha hai tumne ki chalte hi jayen... Taaron se aage koi duniya basayen. The man has more risque thoughts...:Socha hai tumhe rasta bhulayen.... Then the second stanza, girl is no longer taking about taron se aage ki duniya but having masti, the man again is pushing the envelope....Phoolon se hoton ki laali churayen... Haye re na na croons the girl ...Mischevous, playful, risque, the lyrics are in tune with the bell-bottoms and the 70s, carried off wonderfully by the bubbly Neetu and Shashi Kapoor. Keh doon tumhen ya chup rahoon Dil mein mere aaj kya hai Jo bolo to jaanu guru tumko manu chalo yeh bhi wada hai Female:Socha hai tumne ke chalte hi jayen Taron se aage koi duniya basayen, Theek hai, Aahan To phir tum batao na... Male:Socha hai yeh ki tumhe rasta bhulayen Sooni jagah pe kahin cheden darayen Hayre naa naa ye na karna Keh doon tumhen ya chup rahoon Dil mein mere aaj kya hai Jo bolo to jaanun Guru tum ko manun Female:Socha hai tumne ki kuch gungunayen Masti mein jhumen zara dhoomen machayen Ab theek hai, aa huh Male:Socha hai ye ke tumhen nazdeek layen Phoolon se hoton ki laali churayen Haaye na na ye na karna are nahi re nahi re.... "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
parag_sankla |
Jun 2 2006, 08:12 PM
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Hi I am starting a topic on Sahir Ludhianvi that has been posted in another forum before. It was started on his death anniversary, a nostalgia trip beginning with some of his romantic lyrics. Feel free to add on songs that make you feel mmmm....warm and woolly-headed , angry and passionate , sad and philosophical or just plain confused and... all those other complex emotions related with the thing called ...love??? Remembering him through his romantic duets: Situation: Dream Sequence. To expand upon it: the impoverished hero and the heroine express their love for each other in gorgeous surroundings, which would otherwise not be possible given the hero's depressing penury. Moreover the situation is literally a dream, which is not realised as the heroine later on opts for a more stable marriage with a well established publisher. Note the wonderful lyrics, the entire song is posed as question upon question with the female counteracting the male's romantic metaphors with her teasing counter images... Wonderfully captures the mood of the film and yet stands on its own as classic romantic chedkhani. Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to In zulfon mein goondege hum phool mohabbat ke Zulfon ko jhatak kar hum yeh phool gira dein to Hum aap ko kwaabon mein la la ke satayenge Hum aap ki aankhon se neendein hi uda de to Hum aap ke kadmon par gir jayenge ghas khakar Is par bhi na hum apne aanchal ki hawa dein to Hum aap ki aankon mein is dil ko basa dein to Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to Woww, what a description for such a beautifully rendered song. Sahir saab has written some of the best lyrics in the "Golden" era of 50's and 60's. The songs/poems of "Pyaasa" are very uniquely different from each other. Hats off to the genius of Sahir saab, Burmanda, Geetaji , Rafi saab and Hemantda. Best Regards Parag Please visit www.geetadutt.com
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mmuk2004 |
Jun 7 2006, 02:11 AM
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Thanks Parag, for your response.
To continue with Sahir Still talking of mohabbat... Here are two songs in very different styles talking about the rest of the world vis a vis the lovers. The mood, the expressions, the perception of love and the world is so different and yet they make the same assertion,that when one is in love, the rest of the world can go take a jump! The first song is from Tajmahal(1964),a historical film. The world is ready to punish the lovers, yet it will only stoke the fires...Lata's voice rises to the grand assertion of sahir's verse... Takht kya cheez hai aur lal-o-jwahar kya hai/Ishq wale to khudai bhi luta dete hain... The lovers have already exchanged their vows, and this precious, unique experience gives them the strength to defy the world: "aap ab shauq se de len jo sazaa deten hain" Now shift your focus to a contemporary setting, Kabhi Kabhi(1976),two young lovers,rich,without a worry in the world, who don't have a clue about the past passions of their parents, are passionately in love and express their thoughts, in the man's voice... Pyar is not a jurm, it is not even a "khata" in their context. Pyar kar liya to kya, pyar hai khata nahin(it is love, not a mistake). Love is more accepted."teri meri umr mein kisne ye kiya nahin" The carefree lovers breezily take love in their stride, everyone has experienced it, at least when they were young, and they are not going to let anything stop them. Main bhi hoshmand hoon, tu bhi hoshmand hai, Us tarah jiyenge hum jis tarah pasand hai...Unki baat kyun sune jinse waasta nahin... Rasm kya riwaaz kya, dharm kya samaj kya/Dushmano ka khauf kyun,Doston ki laaj kya...They will defy everything for it... Tajmahal 1964 Jurm e ulfat pe hamen log sazaa dete hain kaise nadan hain sholon ko hawa dete hain Jurm-e-ulfat pe Ham se deewane kahin tarq e wafa karte hain Jaan jaaye ke rahe baat nibha dete hain Aap daulat ke tarazu mein dilon ko tolen(2) Hum mohabbat se mohabbat ka sila dete hain Takht kya cheez hai aur Lalo jawahar kya hai(2) Ishq wale to khudai bhi luta dete hain Ham ne dil de bhi diya ehde wafa le bhi liya(2) Aap ab shauq se de len jo sazaa dete hain Jurm-e-ulfat pe hamen log sazaa dete hain... Kabhi Kabhi(1976) Pyar kar liya to kya Pyar hai khata nahin Teri meri umar mein kisne yeh kiya nahin Pyar kar liya to kya Tere honth mere hoth sil gaye to kya hua Dil ki tarah jism bhi mil gaye to kya hua Isse pehle kya kabhi yeh sitam hua nahin Main bhi hoshmand hoon tu bhi hoshmand hai Us tarah jiyenge hum jis tarah pasand hai Unki baat kyun sune jinse waasta nahin Pyar kar liya to kya pyar hai khata nahin Rasm kya riwaaz kya dharm kya samaj kya dushmano ka khauf kyun, doston ki laaj kya Yeh wo shauk hai ke jisse koi bhi bacha nahin Pyar kar liya to kya "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
bawlachintu |
Jun 8 2006, 05:45 PM
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Excellent writeups Madhavi.
Here is the best singer of universe "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw ." |
divz |
Jun 9 2006, 08:29 PM
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madhavi...wonderful thread. and wonderful elucidation of songs...!!!
" Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game "
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Nimii |
Jun 9 2006, 08:32 PM
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How did I miss this thread by Madhz!!!!!!!!!!
Madhz more please more.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I give a request so that you can write on it!!!!!!!!!!!! N |
mmuk2004 |
Jun 9 2006, 09:37 PM
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Thanks BC, Divz and Nimii for your warm response. Sure, Nimii would love to oblige you. In the meantime...
The above were typical postures of love, made unique by Sahir's inimitable style, here are some examples of how he dramatically overturns common perceptions of love... The most famous example is his nazm on the Tajmahal, the eminent metaphor of eternal love. The famous Shakeel Badayuni song, set to the music of Naushad made famous on the screen by Dilip Kumar and Vajyantimala: "Ek Shahenshah ne banwa ke haseen Tajmahal/Sari Duniya ko Mohabbat ki nishani di hai" from Leader,is overturned in this song from Ghazal, set to music by Madan Mohan. Cannot really say that the song is great(musically speaking), and the nazm(originally published in Talkhiyan), is heavily truncated for the movie, yet the fire of Sahir's pen still glitters in this song... The man asks his beloved to choose a place other than the Tajmahal to meet him. The grandeur of the structure mocks the common man's love, which cannot be expressed so beautifully even when the emotions are pure...Read it in Sahir's own words, I have given a very rough explanation of some of the more uncommon words used in the song. Taj tere liye ek mazhar-e-ulfat hi sahi tujhko is wadi-e-rangeen ki aqeedat hi sahi meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse (mazhar e ulfat=mazhar of love, wadi-e-rangi=beautiful place, aqeedat=faith) Anginat logon nein duniya mein mohabbat ki hai kaun kehta hai ki sadiq na the jasbe unke lekin unke liye tashhir ka samaan nahin kyunki woh log bhi apni hi tarah muflis the meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse meri mehboob (saadiq=pure, tashhir=advertisement,muflis=common man) yeh chamanzaar, yeh jamuna ka kinara, yeh mahal(2) Yeh munaqqash dar-o-dewaar, yeh mehraab yeh taaq ek shahenshah ne daulat ka sahara lekar hum garibon ki mohabbat ka udaya hai mazaak meri mehboob meri mehboob, meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse Meri mehboob kahin aur mila kar mujhse (chamanzaar=garden, munaqqash=decorated,taaq=arch) "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) |
sri |
Jun 9 2006, 09:56 PM
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Great idea Madhavi......and very well executed !! You do have some talent for writing and expressing...even if you are re-expressing Sahir's great lyrics !!
Sri "Jis din is duniya se nafrat aur khudgarzi mit jaayegi, us roz yeh insaan naachega, us roz yeh dharti gaayegi" - Rajinder Krishan (Maa baap 1959)
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Nimii |
Jun 9 2006, 10:05 PM
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I am going to spend more time on this thread aaj se!!!!!!!!!!!! WONDERFUL MADHZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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divz |
Jun 9 2006, 11:26 PM
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I am going to spend more time on this thread aaj se!!!!!!!!!!!! WONDERFUL MADHZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n jahan aap wahan hum... " Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game "
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Nimii |
Jun 10 2006, 12:26 AM
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Ayyo yaad mat dilaana tum!!!!!!!!!!!
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Talaikya |
Jun 10 2006, 04:42 AM
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Lo! In donon ne bhi rhyming shuru kar diya!!
Awesome Madhavi. You sure have a gift with 'em words It somehow enhances the pleasure of Sahir's poetry. You must be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi |
Nimii |
Jun 10 2006, 07:25 AM
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Tji We are trying to be reformed and get educated ok , so dont pull our legs ok!
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