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Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories

, Romantic Sahir

 
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mmuk2004
post Jun 2 2006, 07:45 PM
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Hi

I am starting a topic on Sahir Ludhianvi that has been posted in another forum before. It was started on his death anniversary, a nostalgia trip beginning with some of his romantic lyrics. Feel free to add on songs that make you feel mmmm....warm and woolly-headed wub.gif, angry and passionate mad.gif, sad and philosophical sleep.gif or just plain confused wacko.gif and... all those other complex emotions related to the thing called ...love??? ninja.gif



Remembering him through his romantic duets:

Situation: Dream Sequence.
To expand upon it: the impoverished hero and the heroine express their love for each other in gorgeous surroundings, which would otherwise not be possible given the hero's depressing penury. Moreover the situation is literally a dream, which is not realised as the heroine later on opts for a more stable marriage with a well established publisher.

Note the wonderful lyrics, the entire song is posed as question upon question with the female counteracting the male's romantic metaphors with her teasing counter images... Wonderfully captures the mood of the film and yet stands on its own as classic romantic chedkhani.



Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to
Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to
Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to

In zulfon mein goondege hum phool mohabbat ke
Zulfon ko jhatak kar hum yeh phool gira dein to

Hum aap ko kwaabon mein la la ke satayenge
Hum aap ki aankhon se neendein hi uda de to

Hum aap ke kadmon par gir jayenge ghas khakar
Is par bhi na hum apne aanchal ki hawa dein to

Hum aap ki aankon mein is dil ko basa dein to
Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to



"This isn't right, this isn't even wrong."
Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958)

"There are no facts, only interpretations."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)

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post Jul 26 2006, 06:09 AM
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Had this one saved...

QUOTE(visuja @ Jul 5 2006, 06:38 AM) *


Khuda-e-Bartar - Lata - Taj Mahal - Roshan - Sahir

Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai
Har Ek Fateh-o-Zafar Ke Daaman Pe Khoon-e-Insaan Ka Rang Kyun Hai
Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai...

bartar = surpassing ; fatah = conquest by means of jihad ;
zafar = Conquest, Gain, Triumph, Victory


Zamiin Bhi Teri, Hain Hum Bhi Tere, Ye Milkiyat Ka Sawaal Kya Hai
Ye Qatl-o-Khoon Ka Rivaaz Kyun Hai, Ye Rasm-e-Jang-o-Jadaal Kya Hai
Jinhein Talab Hai Jahaan Bhar Ki, Unhiin Ka Dil Itna Tang Kyun Hai
Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai

milkiyat = Keeping/possession/property ; jadaal = list
talab = quest/Pursuit/demand/search ; tang = Limited


Gareeb Maaon Shareef Behnon Ko Amn-o-Izzat Ki Zindagi De
Jinhein Ataa Kii Hai Tu Ne Taaqat, Unhein Hidaayat Ki Roshni De
Saron Mein Kibr-o-Ghuroor Kyun hai, Dilon Ke Sheeshe Pe Zang Kyun Hai
Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai

amn = peace ; ataa = gift ; hidaayat = Guidance/Instruction/Righteousness
kibr = arrogance/grandness


Khazaa Ke Raste Pe Jaanewaalon Ko Bachke Aane Ki Raah Dena
Dilon Ke Gulshan Ujad Na Jaaye, Mohabbaton Ko Panaah Dena
Jahaan Mein Jashn-e-Wafaa Ke Badle, Ye Jashn-e-Teer-o-Tafang Kyun Hai
Khuda-e-Bartar Teri Zamiin Par, Zamiin Ki Khaatir Ye Jung Kyun Hai

kazaa = death; panaah = protection/shelter
jashn = party/celebration ; tafang = musket





Came across a discussion on this song at HF some time ago while googling...The meanings in bold interspersed in the body of the poem are all from posts on that discussion.

An anti war song that transcends time to be tragically relevant even today. It is imbued with Sahir's secular and humanistic consciousness and has resonating lines such as: "Har ek Fateh-o-Zafar ke daman pe khoone-e-insaan ka rang kyun hai". Why is it that (the lap of) every religious war/victory is stained with humar blood?

The use of the word "daaman"(lap/suggesting shelter/protection) highlights a sense of betrayal (the "lap" of religious wars not providing succor and protection but brutal murders), that tends to get lost in the translation.

"Zamin bhi teri,hain hum bhi tere/Ye milkiyat ka sawal kyun hai" This is not the iconclastic Sahir of "Aasman pe hai khuda aur zamin pe hum/Aaj kal wo is taraf dekhta hai kam". Here he positions himself within the religious consciousness and argues that if as believers we believe that the world is yours and we are yours then how does the issue of possession/ownership and wresting of property come in?

"Jinhen talab hai jahan bhar ki/Unhi ka dil itna tang kyun hai" (Those who are worried about the whole world...this is radical Sahir again bitterly hitting out against religious leaders, actually all demagogues...)

From the larger issues, Sahir comes down to individual traits that fan these larger issues..."Saron me kibr-o-ghuroor kyun hai" "Dilon ke sheeshe pe zang kyun hai" These are situations and charateristics that one faces in everyday, ordinary life that escalate into bloodshed and violence... "Jahan mein jashn-e-wafa ke badle ye jashn-e-teer-o-tafang kyun hai"...

It is a dark poem exposing the futility of war and the human expense at which such wars are fought and is posited as a series of protests to the Almighty in the form of rhetorical questions. However, interspersed in the protests are also some requests by the poet to the almighty...

Gareeb Maaon Shareef Behnon Ko Amn-o-Izzat Ki Zindagi De
Jinhein Ataa Kii Hai Tu Ne Taaqat, Unhein Hidaayat Ki Roshni De


Khazaa Ke Raste Pe Jaanewaalon Ko Bachke Aane Ki Raah Dena
Dilon Ke Gulshan Ujad Na Jaaye, Mohabbaton Ko Panaah Dena


The poet has not given up all hope, he requests for peace, he asks that those who have power use is correctly, he wants those who face death to be able to come back safely... "Mohabbaton ko panaah dena"...beautiful lines, even though he reverts back to the darker questioning by the end of the poem. The poem precariously hangs between despair and hope...



"This isn't right, this isn't even wrong."
Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958)

"There are no facts, only interpretations."
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mmuk2004   Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories   Jun 2 2006, 07:45 PM
mmuk2004   Scene: Rolling on the haystack singing in pristine...   Jun 2 2006, 07:51 PM
mmuk2004   Situation: 70s, An adorable Neetu Singh and an ado...   Jun 2 2006, 07:54 PM
parag_sankla   Hi I am starting a topic on Sahir Ludhianvi tha...   Jun 2 2006, 08:12 PM
mmuk2004   Thanks Parag, for your response. To continue wi...   Jun 7 2006, 02:11 AM
bawlachintu   Excellent writeups Madhavi. :)   Jun 8 2006, 05:45 PM
divz   madhavi...wonderful thread. and wonderful elucidat...   Jun 9 2006, 08:29 PM
Nimii   How did I miss this thread by Madhz!!...   Jun 9 2006, 08:32 PM
mmuk2004   Thanks BC, Divz and Nimii for your warm response. ...   Jun 9 2006, 09:37 PM
sri   Great idea Madhavi......and very well executed ...   Jun 9 2006, 09:56 PM
bawlachintu   Thanks BC, Divz and Nimii for your warm response....   Jun 11 2006, 04:31 PM
mmuk2004   As a critic and an admirer I would like to quote...   Jun 12 2006, 12:06 AM
Nimii   I am going to spend more time on this thread aaj s...   Jun 9 2006, 10:05 PM
divz   I am going to spend more time on this thread aaj ...   Jun 9 2006, 11:26 PM
Nimii   :afraid: Ayyo yaad mat dilaana tum!!!...   Jun 10 2006, 12:26 AM
Talaikya   Lo! In donon ne bhi rhyming shuru kar diya...   Jun 10 2006, 04:42 AM
Nimii   Tji :mellow: -_- We are trying to be reformed and...   Jun 10 2006, 07:25 AM
Nimii   Madhz dearest.. DEKHA HAI ZINDGI KO MAINE ITNA K...   Jun 10 2006, 07:29 AM
mmuk2004   Madhz dearest.. DEKHA HAI ZINDGI KO MAINE ITNA ...   Jun 10 2006, 10:43 PM
divz   Tji :mellow: -_- We are trying to be reformed an...   Jun 10 2006, 11:21 AM
deewani   Enjoying the lyrics and background mmuk, thank you...   Jun 10 2006, 11:55 AM
mmuk2004   Thanks Sri, Tji and Deewani, Wonderful to get suc...   Jun 10 2006, 10:36 PM
Nimii   Madhz I will come up with the description of the p...   Jun 10 2006, 11:26 PM
mmuk2004   Madhz I will come up with the description of the ...   Jun 11 2006, 12:33 AM
Jay   great thread, great tribute 2 Sahir.   Jun 11 2006, 03:50 AM
oye_sonu   :cool: waise apoon Majrooh grp ko belong karta hai...   Jun 11 2006, 05:46 PM
mmuk2004   :cool: waise apoon Majrooh grp ko belong karta ha...   Jun 12 2006, 12:41 AM
Nimii   The picturisation is in a hotel. Sharmila is seate...   Jun 11 2006, 06:29 PM
Nimii   Managed to rip the song.. in wmv format.. Hope it...   Jun 11 2006, 08:44 PM
mmuk2004   Nimz thank you, thank you :clap1: :clap1: Had al...   Jun 11 2006, 11:51 PM
Nimii   I am sure it should have been more than chai kaisi...   Jun 12 2006, 12:07 AM
Nimii   Another of my fav.. wordings are beautiful and sim...   Jun 12 2006, 12:27 AM
mmuk2004   Another of my fav.. wordings are beautiful and si...   Jun 12 2006, 07:20 PM
Nimii   Another of my fav.. wordings are beautiful and s...   Jun 12 2006, 07:40 PM
mmuk2004   A look now at a song from Trishul(1978), the big p...   Jun 12 2006, 07:35 PM
bawlachintu   Apart from Jaidev and Khaiyyam I don't think...   Jul 1 2006, 02:15 PM
Nimii   None that I can I think of Madhz.. Yesudas was m...   Jun 12 2006, 07:42 PM
oye_sonu   hi my request. EK ghazal jo Sahir saab ko kaafi ...   Jun 13 2006, 02:46 AM
mmuk2004   Lovely song Sonu, thank you for writing down the l...   Jun 15 2006, 02:08 AM
oye_sonu   Lovely song Sonu, thank you for writing down the ...   Jun 28 2006, 07:40 PM
mmuk2004   Pyar mein ek aur twist... The Scene: Initial stag...   Jun 22 2006, 02:49 AM
Nimii   Madhz.. haaye kya gaana chhuna hai aap ne :bow: B...   Jun 22 2006, 09:17 AM
joshi   Madhavi ji (if I may address you so), I've j...   Jun 28 2006, 12:40 PM
deewani   That last one is one of my favorites. I particular...   Jun 28 2006, 04:06 PM
mmuk2004   Madhavi ji (if I may address you so), I've ...   Jun 28 2006, 10:53 PM
r&d   Madhavi ji (if I may address you so), I've...   Jul 2 2006, 03:09 AM
mmuk2004   Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social co...   Jun 28 2006, 11:01 PM
oye_sonu   Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social c...   Jun 30 2006, 09:54 AM
pradeepasrani   Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social c...   Jun 30 2006, 12:28 PM
Nimii   Madhz in fact I was thinking of this Mukesh duet w...   Jun 29 2006, 10:48 AM
mmuk2004   Thanks Sonu. Pradeep, I had changed my song tag, ...   Jul 2 2006, 01:52 AM
mmuk2004   Lata, I thought you had written out the lyrics fo...   Jul 2 2006, 01:55 AM
mmuk2004   Thanks Rajnish, Great space saving tactics... :D...   Jul 2 2006, 10:27 PM
bawlachintu   Kal hi is gaane ko cable pe dekha. Meena Kumari lo...   Jul 3 2006, 06:25 PM
Nimii   Sigh! I still wanna see the video!! R ...   Jul 3 2006, 10:17 PM
Nimii   Another of my favourite one, is this one... Would...   Jul 3 2006, 10:21 PM
bawlachintu   Har antara apne aap mein ek dastaan hai.   Jul 4 2006, 10:16 AM
Nimii   Now what does dastaan mean :confused: My hindi te...   Jul 4 2006, 12:04 PM
Nimii   Tji got ur sms - dastaan - story :o Thank you...   Jul 4 2006, 07:46 PM
visuja   Madhavi-ji, Wonderful write ups. Always a pleasu...   Jul 5 2006, 05:08 PM
mmuk2004   Whoa...got to get my Urdu to Hindi dictionary for ...   Jul 5 2006, 06:31 PM
Nimii   Definitely not me :lol: Tho' a classic I di...   Jul 5 2006, 07:00 PM
Nimii   Madhz how about this one?/ Asha and Rafi sahab nu...   Jul 5 2006, 10:19 PM
mmuk2004   Madhz how about this one?/ Asha and Rafi sahab n...   Jul 5 2006, 10:52 PM
Nimii   :headbang: How did I miss it :mad: :spank: -ing my...   Jul 5 2006, 11:18 PM
Talaikya   Lata, I thought you had written out the lyrics f...   Jul 6 2006, 12:03 AM
Lata   Lata, I thought you had written out the lyrics ...   Jul 6 2006, 11:36 PM
mmuk2004   [quote name='Talaikya' post='271492' date='Jul 6 ...   Jul 8 2006, 12:11 AM
Lata   Thanks Tji for the lyrics and Lata for your int...   Jul 9 2006, 02:58 AM
r&d   Sigh! I still wanna see the video!...   Jul 7 2006, 08:14 AM
Nimii   shhhhhhhhh :blab: dont let "me" out of ...   Jul 6 2006, 12:13 AM
Nimii   R & D Rip rip kijiye to wmv or avi or real med...   Jul 7 2006, 08:44 AM
Anupama   Wow! Excellent work, Madhvi. Very impressive a...   Jul 7 2006, 09:07 AM
mmuk2004   Wow! Excellent work, Madhvi. Very impressive ...   Jul 7 2006, 11:52 PM
Anupama   [quote name='Anupama' post='271947' date='Jul 6 2...   Jul 8 2006, 08:10 AM
Nimii   Anu :o :shocked: YOU AMAZE ME!!!!...   Jul 7 2006, 09:14 AM
pradeepasrani   Its indeed thrilling to see a very informed discus...   Jul 7 2006, 02:36 PM
mmuk2004   Its indeed thrilling to see a very informed discu...   Jul 8 2006, 12:01 AM
Nimii   Pradeep ji do keep posting whenever you do find ti...   Jul 7 2006, 04:01 PM
mmuk2004   Had this one saved... Khuda-e-Bartar - Lata - T...   Jul 26 2006, 06:09 AM
visuja   Thanks once again :smile: Do save your analysis o...   Jul 26 2006, 07:19 AM
mmuk2004   Thanks Vivek, and please call me Madhavi. Ji give...   Jul 26 2006, 10:26 PM
unni   Madhavi: Members like you and Nasir-bhai bring a ...   Jul 26 2006, 10:39 PM
nasir   HAM AAPKI MEHFIL ME.N BHOOLE SE CHALE AAYE, HO MU...   Jul 26 2006, 10:54 PM
mmuk2004   Unni and Nasir Ji Thank you for your warm appreci...   Jul 27 2006, 01:24 PM
bawlachintu   Unni and Nasir Ji Thank you for your warm apprec...   Jul 27 2006, 09:19 PM
nasir   Unni and Nasir Ji Thank you for your warm apprec...   Jul 27 2006, 11:15 PM
ashgupta3   Just realised that a longish post by Anupama is l...   Jul 28 2006, 12:43 AM
ashgupta3   Madhavi ji :bow: :bow: I have been watching this ...   Jul 27 2006, 09:13 PM
cinemaniac2   super thread Madhavi :clap1: :clap2: excellent j...   Jul 27 2006, 09:49 PM
bawlachintu   Saja dene ka niral tarika: Hum moond ke palkon ko...   Jul 28 2006, 09:47 PM
mmuk2004   Saja dene ka niral tarika: Hum moond ke palkon k...   Jul 28 2006, 09:59 PM
mmuk2004   Gumrah (1963) The siren call of illicit desires… ...   Jul 31 2006, 03:36 AM
mmuk2004   "Gumrah", the lost ones who are brought ...   Jul 31 2006, 03:44 AM
ashgupta3   Penned by the volatile, rebellious Sahir who alwa...   Aug 2 2006, 04:40 AM
Talaikya   Coming up shortly... and here it is. Consider it a...   Jul 31 2006, 04:25 AM
bawlachintu   Gumrah, a real alag-hatke story. Love-triangle.......   Jul 31 2006, 09:34 AM
cinemaniac2   great Madhavi-keep it up-we need more like u but ...   Aug 2 2006, 12:01 AM
cinemaniac2   non related there is a dmuk -usually posts in KK...   Aug 7 2006, 10:52 PM
ashgupta3   Just posting lyric of a song so that this thread m...   Aug 7 2006, 10:57 PM
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