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mmuk2004	Jun 2 2006, 07:45 PM Post #1
Dedicated Member Group: Members Posts: 3415 Joined: 25-September 04 Member No.: 907	Hi I am starting a topic on Sahir Ludhianvi that has been posted in another forum before. It was started on his death anniversary, a nostalgia trip beginning with some of his romantic lyrics. Feel free to add on songs that make you feel mmmm....warm and woolly-headed , angry and passionate , sad and philosophical or just plain confused and... all those other complex emotions related to the thing called ...love??? Remembering him through his romantic duets: Situation: Dream Sequence. To expand upon it: the impoverished hero and the heroine express their love for each other in gorgeous surroundings, which would otherwise not be possible given the hero's depressing penury. Moreover the situation is literally a dream, which is not realised as the heroine later on opts for a more stable marriage with a well established publisher. Note the wonderful lyrics, the entire song is posed as question upon question with the female counteracting the male's romantic metaphors with her teasing counter images... Wonderfully captures the mood of the film and yet stands on its own as classic romantic chedkhani. Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to Hum aap ki aankhon mein is dil ko basa dein to In zulfon mein goondege hum phool mohabbat ke Zulfon ko jhatak kar hum yeh phool gira dein to Hum aap ko kwaabon mein la la ke satayenge Hum aap ki aankhon se neendein hi uda de to Hum aap ke kadmon par gir jayenge ghas khakar Is par bhi na hum apne aanchal ki hawa dein to Hum aap ki aankon mein is dil ko basa dein to Hum moond ke palkon ko is dil ko saza dein to "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)

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mmuk2004	Jun 28 2006, 11:01 PM Post #2
Dedicated Member Group: Members Posts: 3415 Joined: 25-September 04 Member No.: 907	Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social consciousness... Two songs(my favorites), two different positions... In the first the girl disheartened with the world and its inequalities seeks refuge in love, "Mujhe gale se lagalo bahut udas hoon main" what a beautiful opening line, simple, intimate and vulnerable .... Reminds me of another song sequence/image from "Phir Subah Hogi" Mala Sinha and Raj Kapoor in the title song of the movie,clinging to each other trying to rid each other of the demons of hunger and destitution... Besides the radical social criticism in the lines themselves, it is worth noting that Sahir gives the lines to the girl, not a very common instance in hindi films where the woman is talking and thinking about things other than romance and love. The lover comforts the girl "Sitam ke haath ki talwar toot jayegi/Ye oonch neech ki dewaar toot jayegi" but the girl is still in the thrall of her disillusionment "Na jane kab ye tareeka ye taur badlega/sitam ka, gham ka, museebat ka daur badlega". In the second, another duet, this time from Didi in the voices of Mukesh and Sudha Malhotra, what great lines the girl is given, yet again! Just listen to her ..."Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to ye haq hai tumko/Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai... The situation is very different, love is not a refuge anymore it is now a hinderance, the lover has to sacrifice his love for the girl for his devotion to a cause. The girl is articulating a more conventional position (expressing her total love and commitment), yet Sahir makes it radical by giving her emotional argument an equal footage with the man's social commitment. The song almost seems to reflect upon Faiz's great "Mujhse pehli si mohabbat mere mehboob na maang...aur bhi dukh hain zamane mein mohabbat ke siwa" and extends it by giving it a female voice that articulates the emotional toll such a commitment can take... The man's sensitive perception of the hard realities around him impinging upon his romantic commitment is expressed hauntingly in: "Bhookh aur pyas ki maari hui is duniya mein Ishq hi ek haqueqat nahi kuch aur bhi hai"... "Maine tumse hi nahi sabse mohabbat ki hai..." But, then... what an argument the girl makes for the cause of love... "Tumko duniya ke ghamo dard se fursat na sahi Sabse ulfat sahi mujhse hi mohabbat na sahi" Ravi: Aaj Aur Kal(1963) Mujhe gale se lagalo bahut udaas hun main Game jahan se chuda lo Bahut udaas hoon main... Mujhe gale se laga lo Nazar mein teer se chubhte hain ab nazaaron se Main thak gayee hoon sabhi tootate saharon se Ab aur bojh na dalo bahut udas hoon main Mujhe gale se laga lo Bahut sahe ghame duniya magar udas na ho Kareeb hai shab-e-gham ki seher udas na ho Bahut sahe ghame duniya Sitam ke haath ki talwar toot jayegi Ye oonch neech ki dewaar toot jayegi Tujhe kasam hai meri hamsafar udas na ho Bahut sahe ghame duniya ... Na jane kab ye tareeka ye taur badlega Sitam ka, gham ka, museebat ka daur badlega Mujhe jahan se utha lo Bahut udaas hoon main.... ~~NDutta~~ Sudha Malhotra: Didi(1959) Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Meri baat kuch aur hai,maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... Meri dil ki mere jazbaat ki keemat kya hai uljhe uljhe se khayalat ki keemat kya hai Maine kyun pyar kiya tumne na kyun pyar kia In pareshan sawaalat ki keemat kya hai Tum jo yeh bhi na batao to yeh haq hai tumko meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Zindagi sirf mohabbat nahin kuch aur bhi hai zulfo rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Bhookh aur pyaas ki maari hui is duniya mein Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Maine tum se hi nahi sab se mohabbat ki hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Tumko duniya ke ghamo dard se fursat na sahi Sabse ulfat sahi mujhse hi mohabbat na sahi Main tumhari hoon yehi mere liye kya kam hai Tum mere ho ke raho yeh meri kismat na sahi Aur bhi dil to jalao to ye haq hai tumko Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... "This isn't right, this isn't even wrong." Wolfgang Pauli (1900-1958) "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)

pradeepasrani	Jun 30 2006, 12:28 PM Post #3
Regular Member Group: Members Posts: 844 Joined: 25-July 04 From: Muscat, Oman Member No.: 634	QUOTE(mmuk2004 @ Jun 29 2006, 12:01 AM) Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social consciousness... Two songs(my favorites), two different positions... In the first the girl disheartened with the world and its inequalities seeks refuge in love, "Mujhe gale se lagalo bahut udas hoon main" what a beautiful opening line, simple, intimate and vulnerable .... Reminds me of another song sequence/image from "Phir Subah Hogi" Mala Sinha and Raj Kapoor in the title song of the movie,clinging to each other trying to rid each other of the demons of hunger and destitution... Besides the radical social criticism in the lines themselves, it is worth noting that Sahir gives the lines to the girl, not a very common instance in hindi films where the woman is talking and thinking about things other than romance and love. The lover comforts the girl "Sitam ke haath ki talwar toot jayegi/Ye oonch neech ki dewaar toot jayegi" but the girl is still in the thrall of her disillusionment "Na jane kab ye tareeka ye taur badlega/sitam ka, gham ka, museebat ka daur badlega". In the second, another duet, this time from Didi in the voices of Mukesh and Sudha Malhotra, what great lines the girl is given, yet again! Just listen to her ..."Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to ye haq hai tumko/Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai... The situation is very different, love is not a refuge anymore it is now a hinderance, the lover has to sacrifice his love for the girl for his devotion to a cause. The girl is articulating a more conventional position (expressing her total love and commitment), yet Sahir makes it radical by giving her emotional argument an equal footage with the man's social commitment. The song almost seems to reflect upon Faiz's great "Mujhse pehli si mohabbat mere mehboob na maang...aur bhi dukh hain zamane mein mohabbat ke siwa" and extends it by giving it a female voice that articulates the emotional toll such a commitment can take... The man's sensitive perception of the hard realities around him impinging upon his romantic commitment is expressed hauntingly in: "Bhookh aur pyas ki maari hui is duniya mein Ishq hi ek haqueqat nahi kuch aur bhi hai"... "Maine tumse hi nahi sabse mohabbat ki hai..." But, then... what an argument the girl makes for the cause of love... "Tumko duniya ke ghamo dard se fursat na sahi Sabse ulfat sahi mujhse hi mohabbat na sahi" Ravi: Aaj Aur Kal(1963) Mujhe gale se lagalo bahut udaas hun main Game jahan se chuda lo Bahut udaas hoon main... Mujhe gale se laga lo Nazar mein teer se chubhte hain ab nazaaron se Main thak gayee hoon sabhi tootate saharon se Ab aur bojh na dalo bahut udas hoon main Mujhe gale se laga lo Bahut sahe ghame duniya magar udas na ho Kareeb hai shab-e-gham ki seher udas na ho Bahut sahe ghame duniya Sitam ke haath ki talwar toot jayegi Ye oonch neech ki dewaar toot jayegi Tujhe kasam hai meri hamsafar udas na ho Bahut sahe ghame duniya ... Na jane kab ye tareeka ye taur badlega Sitam ka, gham ka, museebat ka daur badlega Mujhe jahan se utha lo Bahut udaas hoon main.... NDutta: Didi(1959) Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Meri baat kuch aur hai,maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... Meri dil ki mere jazbaat ki keemat kya hai uljhe uljhe se khayalat ki keemat kya hai Maine kyun pyar kiya tumne na kyun pyar kia In pareshan sawaalat ki keemat kya hai Tum jo yeh bhi na batao to yeh haq hai tumko meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko Zindagi sirf mohabbat nahin kuch aur bhi hai zulfo rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Bhookh aur pyaas ki maari hui is duniya mein Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuch aur bhi hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Maine tum se hi nahi sab se mohabbat ki hai Tum agar aankh churao to yeh haq hai tumko Tumko duniya ke ghamo dard se fursat na sahi Sabse ulfat sahi mujhse hi mohabbat na sahi Main tumhari hoon yehi mere liye kya kam hai Tum mere ho ke raho yeh meri kismat na sahi Aur bhi dil to jalao to ye haq hai tumko Meri baat aur hai maine to mohabbat ki hai Tum mujhe bhool bhi jao to yeh haq hai tumko... The music for Tum Mujhe Bhool Bhi Jaao was composed by Sudha Malhotra Herself. The music for rest of the songs of Didi were composed by N. Dutta

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mmuk2004 Sahir Ludhianvi: Silver Memories Jun 2 2006, 07:45 PM

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parag_sankla Hi I am starting a topic on Sahir Ludhianvi tha... Jun 2 2006, 08:12 PM

mmuk2004 Thanks Parag, for your response. To continue wi... Jun 7 2006, 02:11 AM

bawlachintu Excellent writeups Madhavi. :) Jun 8 2006, 05:45 PM

divz madhavi...wonderful thread. and wonderful elucidat... Jun 9 2006, 08:29 PM

Nimii How did I miss this thread by Madhz!!... Jun 9 2006, 08:32 PM

mmuk2004 Thanks BC, Divz and Nimii for your warm response. ... Jun 9 2006, 09:37 PM

sri Great idea Madhavi......and very well executed ... Jun 9 2006, 09:56 PM

bawlachintu Thanks BC, Divz and Nimii for your warm response.... Jun 11 2006, 04:31 PM

mmuk2004 As a critic and an admirer I would like to quote... Jun 12 2006, 12:06 AM

Nimii I am going to spend more time on this thread aaj s... Jun 9 2006, 10:05 PM

divz I am going to spend more time on this thread aaj ... Jun 9 2006, 11:26 PM

Nimii :afraid: Ayyo yaad mat dilaana tum!!!... Jun 10 2006, 12:26 AM

Talaikya Lo! In donon ne bhi rhyming shuru kar diya... Jun 10 2006, 04:42 AM

Nimii Tji :mellow: -_- We are trying to be reformed and... Jun 10 2006, 07:25 AM

Nimii Madhz dearest.. DEKHA HAI ZINDGI KO MAINE ITNA K... Jun 10 2006, 07:29 AM

mmuk2004 Madhz dearest.. DEKHA HAI ZINDGI KO MAINE ITNA ... Jun 10 2006, 10:43 PM

divz Tji :mellow: -_- We are trying to be reformed an... Jun 10 2006, 11:21 AM

deewani Enjoying the lyrics and background mmuk, thank you... Jun 10 2006, 11:55 AM

mmuk2004 Thanks Sri, Tji and Deewani, Wonderful to get suc... Jun 10 2006, 10:36 PM

Nimii Madhz I will come up with the description of the p... Jun 10 2006, 11:26 PM

mmuk2004 Madhz I will come up with the description of the ... Jun 11 2006, 12:33 AM

Jay great thread, great tribute 2 Sahir. Jun 11 2006, 03:50 AM

oye_sonu :cool: waise apoon Majrooh grp ko belong karta hai... Jun 11 2006, 05:46 PM

mmuk2004 :cool: waise apoon Majrooh grp ko belong karta ha... Jun 12 2006, 12:41 AM

Nimii The picturisation is in a hotel. Sharmila is seate... Jun 11 2006, 06:29 PM

Nimii Managed to rip the song.. in wmv format.. Hope it... Jun 11 2006, 08:44 PM

mmuk2004 Nimz thank you, thank you :clap1: :clap1: Had al... Jun 11 2006, 11:51 PM

Nimii I am sure it should have been more than chai kaisi... Jun 12 2006, 12:07 AM

Nimii Another of my fav.. wordings are beautiful and sim... Jun 12 2006, 12:27 AM

mmuk2004 Another of my fav.. wordings are beautiful and si... Jun 12 2006, 07:20 PM

Nimii Another of my fav.. wordings are beautiful and s... Jun 12 2006, 07:40 PM

mmuk2004 A look now at a song from Trishul(1978), the big p... Jun 12 2006, 07:35 PM

bawlachintu Apart from Jaidev and Khaiyyam I don't think... Jul 1 2006, 02:15 PM

Nimii None that I can I think of Madhz.. Yesudas was m... Jun 12 2006, 07:42 PM

oye_sonu hi my request. EK ghazal jo Sahir saab ko kaafi ... Jun 13 2006, 02:46 AM

mmuk2004 Lovely song Sonu, thank you for writing down the l... Jun 15 2006, 02:08 AM

oye_sonu Lovely song Sonu, thank you for writing down the ... Jun 28 2006, 07:40 PM

mmuk2004 Pyar mein ek aur twist... The Scene: Initial stag... Jun 22 2006, 02:49 AM

Nimii Madhz.. haaye kya gaana chhuna hai aap ne :bow: B... Jun 22 2006, 09:17 AM

joshi Madhavi ji (if I may address you so), I've j... Jun 28 2006, 12:40 PM

deewani That last one is one of my favorites. I particular... Jun 28 2006, 04:06 PM

mmuk2004 Madhavi ji (if I may address you so), I've ... Jun 28 2006, 10:53 PM

r&d Madhavi ji (if I may address you so), I've... Jul 2 2006, 03:09 AM

mmuk2004 Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social co... Jun 28 2006, 11:01 PM

oye_sonu Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social c... Jun 30 2006, 09:54 AM

pradeepasrani Thanks Nimz, Deewani and Sonu. Love and social c... Jun 30 2006, 12:28 PM

Nimii Madhz in fact I was thinking of this Mukesh duet w... Jun 29 2006, 10:48 AM

mmuk2004 Thanks Sonu. Pradeep, I had changed my song tag, ... Jul 2 2006, 01:52 AM

mmuk2004 Lata, I thought you had written out the lyrics fo... Jul 2 2006, 01:55 AM

mmuk2004 Thanks Rajnish, Great space saving tactics... :D... Jul 2 2006, 10:27 PM

bawlachintu Kal hi is gaane ko cable pe dekha. Meena Kumari lo... Jul 3 2006, 06:25 PM

Nimii Sigh! I still wanna see the video!! R ... Jul 3 2006, 10:17 PM

Nimii Another of my favourite one, is this one... Would... Jul 3 2006, 10:21 PM

bawlachintu Har antara apne aap mein ek dastaan hai. Jul 4 2006, 10:16 AM

Nimii Now what does dastaan mean :confused: My hindi te... Jul 4 2006, 12:04 PM

Nimii Tji got ur sms - dastaan - story :o Thank you... Jul 4 2006, 07:46 PM

visuja Madhavi-ji, Wonderful write ups. Always a pleasu... Jul 5 2006, 05:08 PM

mmuk2004 Whoa...got to get my Urdu to Hindi dictionary for ... Jul 5 2006, 06:31 PM

Nimii Definitely not me :lol: Tho' a classic I di... Jul 5 2006, 07:00 PM

Nimii Madhz how about this one?/ Asha and Rafi sahab nu... Jul 5 2006, 10:19 PM

mmuk2004 Madhz how about this one?/ Asha and Rafi sahab n... Jul 5 2006, 10:52 PM

Nimii :headbang: How did I miss it :mad: :spank: -ing my... Jul 5 2006, 11:18 PM

Talaikya Lata, I thought you had written out the lyrics f... Jul 6 2006, 12:03 AM

Lata Lata, I thought you had written out the lyrics ... Jul 6 2006, 11:36 PM

mmuk2004 [quote name='Talaikya' post='271492' date='Jul 6 ... Jul 8 2006, 12:11 AM

Lata Thanks Tji for the lyrics and Lata for your int... Jul 9 2006, 02:58 AM

r&d Sigh! I still wanna see the video!... Jul 7 2006, 08:14 AM

Nimii shhhhhhhhh :blab: dont let "me" out of ... Jul 6 2006, 12:13 AM

Nimii R & D Rip rip kijiye to wmv or avi or real med... Jul 7 2006, 08:44 AM

Anupama Wow! Excellent work, Madhvi. Very impressive a... Jul 7 2006, 09:07 AM

mmuk2004 Wow! Excellent work, Madhvi. Very impressive ... Jul 7 2006, 11:52 PM

Anupama [quote name='Anupama' post='271947' date='Jul 6 2... Jul 8 2006, 08:10 AM

Nimii Anu :o :shocked: YOU AMAZE ME!!!!... Jul 7 2006, 09:14 AM

pradeepasrani Its indeed thrilling to see a very informed discus... Jul 7 2006, 02:36 PM

mmuk2004 Its indeed thrilling to see a very informed discu... Jul 8 2006, 12:01 AM

Nimii Pradeep ji do keep posting whenever you do find ti... Jul 7 2006, 04:01 PM

mmuk2004 Had this one saved... Khuda-e-Bartar - Lata - T... Jul 26 2006, 06:09 AM

visuja Thanks once again :smile: Do save your analysis o... Jul 26 2006, 07:19 AM

mmuk2004 Thanks Vivek, and please call me Madhavi. Ji give... Jul 26 2006, 10:26 PM

unni Madhavi: Members like you and Nasir-bhai bring a ... Jul 26 2006, 10:39 PM

nasir HAM AAPKI MEHFIL ME.N BHOOLE SE CHALE AAYE, HO MU... Jul 26 2006, 10:54 PM

mmuk2004 Unni and Nasir Ji Thank you for your warm appreci... Jul 27 2006, 01:24 PM

bawlachintu Unni and Nasir Ji Thank you for your warm apprec... Jul 27 2006, 09:19 PM

nasir Unni and Nasir Ji Thank you for your warm apprec... Jul 27 2006, 11:15 PM

ashgupta3 Just realised that a longish post by Anupama is l... Jul 28 2006, 12:43 AM

ashgupta3 Madhavi ji :bow: :bow: I have been watching this ... Jul 27 2006, 09:13 PM

cinemaniac2 super thread Madhavi :clap1: :clap2: excellent j... Jul 27 2006, 09:49 PM

bawlachintu Saja dene ka niral tarika: Hum moond ke palkon ko... Jul 28 2006, 09:47 PM

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ashgupta3 Penned by the volatile, rebellious Sahir who alwa... Aug 2 2006, 04:40 AM

Talaikya Coming up shortly... and here it is. Consider it a... Jul 31 2006, 04:25 AM

bawlachintu Gumrah, a real alag-hatke story. Love-triangle....... Jul 31 2006, 09:34 AM

cinemaniac2 great Madhavi-keep it up-we need more like u but ... Aug 2 2006, 12:01 AM

cinemaniac2 non related there is a dmuk -usually posts in KK... Aug 7 2006, 10:52 PM

ashgupta3 Just posting lyric of a song so that this thread m... Aug 7 2006, 10:57 PM

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