Did Rafi Saab Sing A Couple Of Pakistani Songs, Around 1963?? Options

[venkat]

Dear friends,

Can someone clarify the above query of mine?

I have raised this query because I have some evidence of it, but still am not 100% sure!!!

Venkat

This post has been edited by venkat: Jul 1 2009, 08:02 PM

[venkat]

OK, listen to this duet on the following link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni7uGlzdkPo...feature=related

This duet is from a Pakistani film called "Dil Ne Tujhe Maan Liya (1963)". The song is: "Kyon Huzur Kyon, Yeh Hurur Kyon".The MD is one Masleduddin.

Firstly, hats off to the MD for such a very nice composition, comparable to the best such old Hindi (Indian) songs.

Ok, now, in my humble view, the male singer in this duet performs exactly like Rafi Saab (a.his voice of the late fifties/early sixties, b. his expressions, c. his adaayen, d. the throw, the diction, etc.)

Well, I know that some of you would tell me that it is actually AHMED RUSHDI, a Hyderabad-Andhrapradesh born Pakistani singer.

But, the point is that I have listened to at least 5 or 6 of Ahmed Rushdi's other songs just now and his performance in those 5 or 6 other songs is quite different and not exactly like Rafi Saab.

Hence, my theory/question is the following:

Some Pakistani MDs have actually got Rafi Saab to sing some(maybe two or three) of their songs, but credited those under the name of AHMED RUSHDI????? (Probably because the Pakistani govt. would not take kindly to the name of an Indian singer, those days????)

Venkat

PS. The idea is just to discuss and explore the truth. Shall be grateful for views and am open to corrections.

This post has been edited by venkat: Jun 27 2009, 08:11 AM

[myawan]

I have heard it and it sounds more like Ahmed Rushdi.....

Secondly if some Pakistani MDs have got Rafi sahab to sing for their films then they must have wanted to cash his fame but if they couldn't announce his name then it doesn't make any sense. Thirdly they certainly didn't want to deteriorate their relations with Rushdi sahab as he was leading male singer of that time.

[venkat]

I think you must be right, yusuf.

But, in my personal view, this Ahmed Rushdi must have, many a time, consciously tried to bring out the 'Rafi effect'.

In the song that I gave a link to, see how Ahmed Rushdi uses many typical Rafi expressions, such as in 'Gorre, etc.

Venkat

PS. Also, as he says, "Nazni' in 'Tum Ne Nazni'. Even 'Kalllaaa'!

One more factor that makes you feel it is Rafi is that Rafi Saab had sung simply scores and scores of duet songs of this same genre!

This post has been edited by venkat: Jun 27 2009, 11:18 PM

[myawan]

Infact, Rushdi was a fan of Rafi sahab himself and he has admitted it as well, I'll post his tribute to Rafi sahab in coming days too.

[AzgarKhan]

But, the point is that I have listened to at least 5 or 6 of Ahmed Rushdi's other songs just now and his performance in those 5 or 6 other songs is quite different and not exactly like Rafi Saab.

I heard the song .. and its NOT Rafi sahab.

He goes off the surr when he sings "koi na tumsa dekha" ... at 2:48



This post has been edited by AzgarKhan: Jun 28 2009, 03:01 PM

[Faraaj73]

But, the point is that I have listened to at least 5 or 6 of Ahmed Rushdi's other songs just now and his performance in those 5 or 6 other songs is quite different and not exactly like Rafi Saab.

I heard the song .. and its NOT Rafi sahab.

He goes off the surr when he sings "koi na tumsa dekha" ... at 2:48

Definitely not Rafi. Ahmed Rushdi was a pale imitation. I'm not a Rafi fan, but have to admit the man knew his stuff backwards! If he had taken this very song and sung it, he would have added so much depth to it.

[simplefable]

Venkat..i too dont feel it is Rafi Sahab. The entire song is in such a low tone...yet the voice hasnt that sweet edge of Rafi..it is a broad voice, pitched low..Just my feeling.

[behenji.turned.mod]

But, the point is that I have listened to at least 5 or 6 of Ahmed Rushdi's other songs just now and his performance in those 5 or 6 other songs is quite different and not exactly like Rafi Saab.

I heard the song .. and its NOT Rafi sahab.

He goes off the surr when he sings "koi na tumsa dekha" ... at 2:48

Definitely not Rafi. Ahmed Rushdi was a pale imitation. I'm not a Rafi fan, but have to admit the man knew his stuff backwards! If he had taken this very song and sung it, he would have added so much depth to it.

unrelated to the topic.....n probably inappropriate here.......but if rafi new his stuff backwards...and cuddav added much more depth to the song......why dont u like rafi/r not a rafi fan ?

[suhana_safar]

Of course its not Rafisaab, even before he sings the second word its clear. Great to see that even those who are not Rafi fans agree the King knew his stuff backwards.

Cheers
SS

[venkat]

Thank you all, friends, for your good inputs.

Actually, the context of my stumbling upon this song on youtube has also made me confused whether it is a Rafi song.

When I found and heard this song, I did not have any information that it is even a Pakistani song. At the time of the impressionable first hearing, I thought it is 'definitely/obviously' a song from an Indian Hindi film.

Add to that the youtube label of '1961', the black & white film , and more importantly the type/genre of the song of which I must have heard scores composed by OPN, S.Mohinder, GSK, etc. Then, who else would sing an Indian song of that type, at that time? I started wondering whether it was Rafi Saab!!

Now that we are all sure that it is Rushdi, I wonder whether this Rushdi is not the nearest to Rafi Saab's style during the late fifties/early sixties!!!

I know Anwar was also somewhat close to Rafi style. But, I feel Anwar and one or two others reminded you of Rafi Saab of the seventies, and not of late fifties/early sixties.

To that extent, I am glad that I have come to know of this Ahmed Rushdi, of whom I have never heard before.

Venkat

[venkat]

Just for the heck of it, listen to this song also by Ahmed Rushdi!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztchWZOnv1c...feature=related

His honest attempt to imitate Rafi Saab is clearly there, especially in the Mukhda (ie. starting lines).

Venkat

[venkat]

Lastly, see this article on Ahmed Rushdi in Pakistani media.

http://www.pakistanimusic.com/blog/ahmed-rushdi-we-miss-you/

I was very amused by the first two reader comments to this article.

I am reproducing those two comments in text here below:

"This is an excellent effort to pay a tribute to asias top play back singer Ahned Rushdi.Critics are unanimous that Ahmed Rushdi has no match in giving expressions to both happy and sad songs.In whole subcontinent,no body competes him in singing talents except Mohammad Rafi.
Posted by Umair | October 17, 2008, 4:55 pm "

"Ahmed Rushdi is such a mtchless singer of subcontinent that even indian singers like Kishor and Mukeash cannot compete him.Only Mohd.Rafi qualifies the compition with Ahmed Rushdi.His voice quality was amazing.Nobody ever able to copy his voice or even style in which Rushdi use to sing.Ahmed Rushdi also holds the title of”Prince Of Melody”.
Posted by Asjad | November 13, 2008, 1:11 pm"

[humble_rafi]

Venkat Ji the first song in the link sounds like early 1960's naughty songs of Dev Anand and Johnny Walker but definitely its not even close to Rafi Sahab when it comes to expressions.

No singer till date has ever succeeded in copying all the moods of Rafi Sahab, they partially succeeded in imitating one of his moods.

I wonder why nobody pointed out the female singer, she resembles Asha Bhosle.

This post has been edited by humble_rafi: Jun 30 2009, 05:20 PM

[Faraaj73]

Definitely not Rafi. Ahmed Rushdi was a pale imitation. I'm not a Rafi fan, but have to admit the man knew his stuff backwards! If he had taken this very song and sung it, he would have added so much depth to it.

unrelated to the topic.....n probably inappropriate here.......but if rafi new his stuff backwards...and cuddav added much more depth to the song......why dont u like rafi/r not a rafi fan ?

Hey BTM

Thats not a yes/no question

I guess the reason I'm not a Rafi fan is because he has a pronounced Punjabi accent. Having lived in Punjab for the first half of my life and seen many punjabi singers on PTV consciously or unconsciously imitate Rafi, I grew a bit weary of the voice/style of singing.

A Shamshad or Zohrabai may also have suggested a punjabi accent in singing urdu/hindi songs. But they were not copied nearly as much. But, that does not detract from his obvious ability as a singer.