Some Rare Diamonds Of Rafi Saab Options

[SAJDAH]

here is the song 3:19/126

Lots of thanks, Lakshmi, for this nice upload.

Friends, while this song is credited for Rafi Saab and Geeta Dutt, I can hear a third voice in the second and certainly in the third antaras. Is it that Rafi Saab has modified his voice that way in the second/third antaras, because he might have been singing for two different actors?

Any ideas?

Venkat

That cannot be rafi saab

The third voice is S.D.Batish ( Pandit Shiv Dayal Batish, the famous Hindustani vocalist ).

Sajdah

This is pandit husnlal himself and not pandit s d batish. In the same movie, he starts the song "woh aur zamana tha yeh aur zamana hai". Pandit s d batish sings the second para in that song

Mahesh ji, perhaps not all would agree with you.

Here, take a look at these links, please.

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=156182

A quick search of the SD Batish forum came up with this.

It seems this song was uploaded earlier on a thread titled ‘Shiv Dayal Batish, the singer, some songs sung by Batish ji’ by another Mahesh ji in 2005.

He asserts and I quote him “a song from the film hamari manzil[1949] sung by s d batishji along with geetaji and rafi sahab.the records credit only geetaji and rafi sahab for the song;but there is a third voice which most experts identify as batishsahab.
music is by husnlal bhagatram who used s d batishji quite often.lyrics are by rajendra krishan.
the song is ''andhere se na dar.....kaante banegi kaliyan''.
happy listening,
Mahesh”

It would be interesting to find out whether he still holds the same view in 2007. Is he still active on HF?

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=156245

In response to Mahesh ji’s post on the same thread, Ashwin Batish – Batish sahab’s son and the one who looks after the website confirms that it is indeed his dad’s voice in the third stanza.

He seemed quite confident about that.

And I quote him “That is my father on the last verse.

I wonder whether he still thinks that. The post I quoted was of 2005, and it's quite possible that events might have happened since then to make him think otherwise.

http://batish.com/sd/filmography/hamaarimanzil/

Incidentally this song (as well as the other one you mentioned ) are both credited to Pandit SD Batish on his website.

Sajdah

[venkat]

Thank you, Sajdah Ji and Mahesh Ji, for the interesting search for truth regarding the Hamari Manzil song. Sajdah ji, of course, there is another Mahesh Ji in HF who is also a very senior member.

The balance of evidence now seems to be in favor of Sajdah Ji's proponent, S.D.Batish!

Venkat

[venkat]

Friends,

Could someone kindly upload these two very nice songs?

1."Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Duniya Mein Kam Na Honge, Afsoch Ham Na Honge"---Film:Mela(1948)---MD:Naushad---Rafi

2. Only Extened/Film version of "Tarari Arari Arari, Yeh Sawan Rut"---Film:Daastaan (1950)---MD:Naushad--Rafi & Suraiya (The normal audio version is 02:49 in duration)

Thanks,

Venkat

[cYb0rG]

One song from my side to this beautiful thread.



Kya Hua Tera Vaada,

Hum Kisi Se Kum Nahi

Mohammed Rafi

04.23

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[venkat]

Friends,

Could someone kindly upload these two very nice songs?

1."Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Duniya Mein Kam Na Honge, Afsoch Ham Na Honge"---Film:Mela(1948)---MD:Naushad---Rafi

2. Only Extened/Film version of "Tarari Arari Arari, Yeh Sawan Rut"---Film:Daastaan (1950)---MD:Naushad--Rafi & Suraiya (The normal audio version is 02:49 in duration)

Thanks,

Venkat

Any kind uploaders, please?

Venkat

[usrafian]

Friends,

Could someone kindly upload these two very nice songs?

1."Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Duniya Mein Kam Na Honge, Afsoch Ham Na Honge"---Film:Mela(1948)---MD:Naushad---Rafi

2. Only Extened/Film version of "Tarari Arari Arari, Yeh Sawan Rut"---Film:Daastaan (1950)---MD:Naushad--Rafi & Suraiya (The normal audio version is 02:49 in duration)

Thanks,

Venkat

Any kind uploaders, please?

Venkat

Venkat Ji

Here is one with classical philosphy from

Film - Mela
Lyrics - Shakil Badaayyuni Sahab
MD - Naushad Sahab

128 kbps 02:18

Ye Zindagi Ke Mele, Duniya Mein Kam Na Honge
Afsos ! Hum Na Honge

Thou a common song but worth to u/l & d/l million times.



USR

[venkat]

Friends,

Could someone kindly upload these two very nice songs?

1."Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Duniya Mein Kam Na Honge, Afsoch Ham Na Honge"---Film:Mela(1948)---MD:Naushad---Rafi

2. Only Extened/Film version of "Tarari Arari Arari, Yeh Sawan Rut"---Film:Daastaan (1950)---MD:Naushad--Rafi & Suraiya (The normal audio version is 02:49 in duration)

Thanks,

Venkat

Any kind uploaders, please?

Venkat

Venkat Ji

Here is one with classical philosphy from

Film - Mela
Lyrics - Shakil Badaayyuni Sahab
MD - Naushad Sahab

128 kbps 02:18

Ye Zindagi Ke Mele, Duniya Mein Kam Na Honge
Afsos ! Hum Na Honge

Thou a common song but worth to u/l & d/l million times.



USR

Many many thanks, USR Ji. No doubt, this is not a rare song by any reckoning. But, it felt as if it was a very long time since one heard this last.

Venkat

[venkat]

Friends,

Could someone kindly upload these two very nice songs?

1."Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele, Duniya Mein Kam Na Honge, Afsoch Ham Na Honge"---Film:Mela(1948)---MD:Naushad---Rafi

2. Only Extended/Film version of "Tarari Arari Arari, Yeh Sawan Rut"---Film:Daastaan (1950)---MD:Naushad--Rafi & Suraiya (The normal audio version is 02:49 in duration)
Thanks,

Venkat

The song no.1 was kindly uploaded by USR Ji. Could anyone do the needful with the Extended version of song no. 2, if any such thing exists?

Venkat

[venkat]

Friends,

Meanwhile, how about another nice song of Ghulam Mohammed?

"O Sadgi Kahen, Ise Deewangi Kahen, Un Ka Badha Jo Haath Yahan Dil Luta Diya"---Film:Shama(1961)--MD:Ghulam Mohammed---Rafi

Could someone kindly consider uploading this?

Thanks,

Venkat

[venkat]

Friends,

Meanwhile, how about another nice song of Ghulam Mohammed?

"O Sadgi Kahen, Ise Deewangi Kahen, Un Ka Badha Jo Haath Yahan Dil Luta Diya"---Film:Shama(1961)--MD:Ghulam Mohammed---Rafi

Could someone kindly consider uploading this?

Thanks,

Venkat

Anyone to please upload this?

Venkat

[suhana_safar]

Friends,

Meanwhile, how about another nice song of Ghulam Mohammed?

"O Sadgi Kahen, Ise Deewangi Kahen, Un Ka Badha Jo Haath Yahan Dil Luta Diya"---Film:Shama(1961)--MD:Ghulam Mohammed---Rafi

Could someone kindly consider uploading this?

Thanks,

Venkat

Anyone to please upload this?

Venkat

Venkat ji

I will take this pleasure, can you tell me the unique aspect of this song. See my thread.

[venkat]

Friends,

Meanwhile, how about another nice song of Ghulam Mohammed?

"O Sadgi Kahen, Ise Deewangi Kahen, Un Ka Badha Jo Haath Yahan Dil Luta Diya"---Film:Shama(1961)--MD:Ghulam Mohammed---Rafi

Could someone kindly consider uploading this?

Thanks,

Venkat

This nice song was uploaded by Suhana Safar Ji, on my request, in his 'Rafisaab's Magic' thread.
Here is the link:

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?act=...t&id=129549

Many thanks, SS Ji.

Venkat

[venkat]

Friends,

Meanwhile, how about another nice song of Ghulam Mohammed?

"O Sadgi Kahen, Ise Deewangi Kahen, Un Ka Badha Jo Haath Yahan Dil Luta Diya"---Film:Shama(1961)--MD:Ghulam Mohammed---Rafi

Could someone kindly consider uploading this?

Thanks,

Venkat

Anyone to please upload this?

Venkat

Venkat ji

I will take this pleasure, can you tell me the unique aspect of this song. See my thread.

SS Ji, all I can say is that this is one of the Maestro's great many great songs! And I cannot miss the similarity of style in composing by Ghulam Mohammed Ji and Naushad Ji. It is probably because GM was once an Assistant to Naushad.

Thanks again for this song.

Venkat

[maheshks]

here is the song 3:19/126

Lots of thanks, Lakshmi, for this nice upload.

Friends, while this song is credited for Rafi Saab and Geeta Dutt, I can hear a third voice in the second and certainly in the third antaras. Is it that Rafi Saab has modified his voice that way in the second/third antaras, because he might have been singing for two different actors?

Any ideas?

Venkat

That cannot be rafi saab

The third voice is S.D.Batish ( Pandit Shiv Dayal Batish, the famous Hindustani vocalist ).

Sajdah

This is pandit husnlal himself and not pandit s d batish. In the same movie, he starts the song "woh aur zamana tha yeh aur zamana hai". Pandit s d batish sings the second para in that song

Mahesh ji, perhaps not all would agree with you.

Here, take a look at these links, please.

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=156182

A quick search of the SD Batish forum came up with this.

It seems this song was uploaded earlier on a thread titled ‘Shiv Dayal Batish, the singer, some songs sung by Batish ji’ by another Mahesh ji in 2005.

He asserts and I quote him “a song from the film hamari manzil[1949] sung by s d batishji along with geetaji and rafi sahab.the records credit only geetaji and rafi sahab for the song;but there is a third voice which most experts identify as batishsahab.
music is by husnlal bhagatram who used s d batishji quite often.lyrics are by rajendra krishan.
the song is ''andhere se na dar.....kaante banegi kaliyan''.
happy listening,
Mahesh”

It would be interesting to find out whether he still holds the same view in 2007. Is he still active on HF?

http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=156245

In response to Mahesh ji’s post on the same thread, Ashwin Batish – Batish sahab’s son and the one who looks after the website confirms that it is indeed his dad’s voice in the third stanza.

He seemed quite confident about that.

And I quote him “That is my father on the last verse.

I wonder whether he still thinks that. The post I quoted was of 2005, and it's quite possible that events might have happened since then to make him think otherwise.

http://batish.com/sd/filmography/hamaarimanzil/

Incidentally this song (as well as the other one you mentioned ) are both credited to Pandit SD Batish on his website.

Sajdah

Thank you, Sajdah Ji and Mahesh Ji, for the interesting search for truth regarding the Hamari Manzil song. Sajdah ji, of course, there is another Mahesh Ji in HF who is also a very senior member.

The balance of evidence now seems to be in favor of Sajdah Ji's proponent, S.D.Batish!

Venkat

I still maintain third voice is not of pandit s d batish it is pandit husnlal.

...listen to the song once again....khusiyon ki arzoo kar... (In venkatji's terms...second antra)..
is pandit husnlal.
...haare huye sipahi ( the third antra or last verse as ashwin said)....is in the voice of pandit s d batish......

To put it straight... there are four singers...rafi, geeta, husnlal and s d batish in that order.

IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO RELY ON YOUR OWN EARS
It may be very difficult for those ears who have not listened much of these two
gentlemen. Of course pandit husnlal sang very few songs..he was
a master violin player..

[venkat]

Re:Hamari Manzil song, Kaaten Banenge Kaliyan

Mahesh Ji, you seem to have a point. I agree that the second and third antaras appear to have been sung by different singers. The second Antara starting with "Khushiyon Ki Arzoo Kar" seems to be in a voice that is different from Rafi's voice, but somewhat close to his. However, the third Antara(Haare Huye Sipahi) has a more dissimilar and a sort of trembling voice.

That was why in my initial query, I used the expression, "in the second and certainly in the third antaras".

So, if this is what it is, Rafi Saab just sang the opening Mukhda independently, Geeta the first Antara, Husnlal the second Antara and S.D.Batish the third Antara!

Venkat