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[visuja]

Well U may not like the tea but help me identify the blend na. That so-called Tamil? part--that is the same tune as dekhne mein bhola hai dil ka salona!!! That was SDB this is Ravi!!! But the tune now that it is in this mould does have a South touch to it. Is there a Tamil version?

Priya, I'm also quite sure Ive heard a south Indian version of this song ! either in Tamil or Malayalam ....but since you and Unii Saar would know a Malayalam version if there was one, I assume theres a Tamil one. Probably Nimii or Sri-ji could help us out ?
I'll confirm on the Tamil version and get back soon.

As far as the South Indian language is concerned, doesnt sound like Telugu either .. probably bibhas could help out .. waise bhi HFM has never been spot on with pronunciations of South Indian languages whenever they are used in parts of a main Hindi song Though got to say, Asha's Tamil pronunciation whenever she's sung Tamil songs is quite better than other Hindi artists who seem to be everywhere in the Tamil music industry nowadays

[Nimii]

Wah wah whatta treat to see on Monday morning!!

Blue vlue sab kuchh mit gaya re!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanx Senapati ji!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

N *grin*

[Nimii]

Vivz that is tamil daa..

Unn thunbam ellam theerum.. (all ur sorrows will come to an end)

Yes there is a tamil version of that song I think!!!!!!!!!!

But it is the same tune as Dekhne Main bhola hai!!!!!!! like Unni pointed!!

I need to check what the tamil version is!!

N *wears her think cap*

[fiftysomeone]

Nirmala-ji and Priya-ji SPECIAL!
Couldn't resist uploading the Video Clip as well as the audio-track of this one!
Asha-ji singing for I. S. Johar!!!!!
Supported by Manna Dey for Mukri. And do we also hear Kishore-da?
Video-clip in Real Media:

Audio track:

That was quite a hilarious start to the day/week indeed.
Couldn't recognize the actor who Guru is singing for (the one with the "Allah ka fazal" lines in the middle. Any idea?
Thanks for the fun.
50Some

[Talaikya]

Or maybe this was the one Priya wanted?? Has anybody already uploaded it? The fog ... the fog...
Do let me know if it's a duplication and I shall delete it -

Maangi hain duaen hamne sanam, Shikari (1963) - with Usha Mangeshkar. G.S. Kohli. Lyrics: ?
3:16 mins @ 96kbps

Deleted in view of Fiftysomeone's subsequent post.

I wonder - dil dhadakne ki duaen maang rahe hain, tau kya koi serious hain kya, dil nahin dhadak raha??

[fiftysomeone]

Or maybe this was the one Priya wanted?? Has anybody already uploaded it? The fog ... the fog...
Do let me know if it's a duplication and I shall delete it -
Maangi hain duaen hamne sanam, Shikari (1963) - with Usha Mangeshkar. G.S. Kohli. Lyrics: ?
3:16 mins @ 96kbps

I wonder - dil dhadakne ki duaen maang rahe hain, tau kya koi serious hain kya, dil nahin dhadak raha??

Already u/led by Zippoo saab in the Aapki Asha thread yesterday 11:56AM. Same length (3:16), about 2.6MB zip file size.
This movie has another Asha-Usha duet - Tumko Piya Dil Diya Itne Naaz Se.
Would be nice if you could u/l that.
Cheers.

[Talaikya]

Already u/led by Zippoo saab in the Aapki Asha thread yesterday 11:56AM. Same length (3:16), about 2.6MB zip file size.
This movie has another Asha-Usha duet - Tumko Piya Dil Diya Itne Naaz Se.
Would be nice if you could u/l that.
Cheers.

Darn the cryptic man!! I could replace it, but it's been at HF before, did you need it? Come to think of it - isn't it a Lata - Usha duet?? I think it's good strategy to wait to upload till people pester you, what say?? So pester me and it'll be at KD -LM

[fiftysomeone]

Already u/led by Zippoo saab in the Aapki Asha thread yesterday 11:56AM. Same length (3:16), about 2.6MB zip file size.
This movie has another Asha-Usha duet - Tumko Piya Dil Diya Itne Naaz Se.
Would be nice if you could u/l that.
Cheers.

Darn the cryptic man!! I could replace it, but it's been at HF before, did you need it? Come to think of it - isn't it a Lata - Usha duet?? I think it's good strategy to wait to upload till people pester you, what say?? So pester me and it'll be at KD -LM

Yes indeed it is Lata-Usha, not Asha-Usha. Must have missed it last time around.
Upload it in KD-LM whenever convenient.
Thx.

[visuja]

Vivz that is tamil daa..
Yes there is a tamil version of that song I think!!!!!!!!!!
But it is the same tune as Dekhne Main bhola hai!!!!!!! like Unni pointed!!
I need to check what the tamil version is!!
N *wears her think cap*

Ok heres what I got on googling. It seems to be a part of some discussion forum. Im not sure of the authenticity and couldnt locate any info about the films mentioned either. I hope the more knowledgeable members could help out.

yeru pootti povaaye aNNe chinnaNNe un thunbam ellaam theerume aNNe chinnaNNe
Kaalam Maaripochu starred Gemini Ganesh, Anjali Devi, T.S.Baliah, S.V.Subbiah, Thangavelu & others.Dialogues were also by Mugavai Rajamanickam. The film was directed by Thaapi Chanakya.

The film was a remake of Thaapi Chankya's Telugu hit Rojulu Maaraayi (1955). The Telugu original starred Nageswara Rao & Sowcar Janaki. The Tamil songs were in the same tunes set for Rojulu Maaraayi.

The Telugu equivalent of 'yeru pooti povaaye' was 'yeruvaka saagaloi', also sung by Jikki. Waheeda Rehman had appeared in the Telugu song as well.

G.Ramanathan adapated the same tune for his 'summa irundhaal sOthukku nashtam’..uNmaiyOdu uzhaikkaNum thaanE thannanna (P.Leela & Jikki/Udumalai Narayana Kavi) for Madurai Veeran (also 1956/ Krishna Pictures)

S.D.Burman adapted the tune for his Bombay Ka Babu (1960/ Naya films/ Dev Anand & Suchitra Sen)- ‘dekhne mein bhola hai, dil ka salona, bombai se aaya hai, babu chinnanna’ (Asha Bhosle/ Majrooh)

Interestingly, some years back, when I was discussing these various adaptations of the same tune with a Telugu speaking friend, his father, who was sitting quietly till then, looked at me amusedly and said that the original was not even ‘yeruvaka saagaloi’, but a vintage HMV record of Telugu folk songs by a composer called Jaganath Rao, and he even sang the song, which, as far as I can recall went ‘cheedikki maadikki!’

The tune seemed to have caught the fancy of so many composers!

Almost a book can be written on the song "Eruvaaka saagaarOy" covering all kinds of discussions that had taken place on the same.

Your friend's father is correct, for the tune was 'based' on age old Telugu folk tune: #ayyO koyyODaa..#, recorded by Valloori Jagannaadham in late 1920s. He was a big name in singing folk songs. But, it may not be 'his' tune, but a 'traditional' one. The exact song refered by your friend's father is: #cheeTiki maaTiki chiTTemmanTaav, china naayuDunTaDu, peda naayuDunTadu chiTTemmaa ani pilavakarO ayyO koyyODaa! ...# These lyrics was sung by Jikki and the famous Comedian actror-cum-singer Kasturi Sivarao (who was in late 40s and early 50s as popular as NSK in TN!) in film: #Srii lakshamma katha# (1950, Music: CR Subburaaman).

Then came Master Venu with his tune in 1955. Apart from the tune, Waheeda's appearance and introducing the traditional instrument: #Dappu# (~drum) Kosaraju Raaghavayya's lyrics contributed enormously to the great popularity of this song.

Now, to the controversies ... When the same tune was used in #madurai veeran#, HMV filed a suit in a Madras court for plagiarizing the 'tune'. Though it had been a common practice until then, it was for the first time some one raised an objection.
Then entered the well known (folk) singing stars: Sita and Anasuya (folk song in (middle class) Telugu circles is synonymous with their names!) who claimed it to be their 'tune' for they recorded #koyyO koyyODaa ...# years earlier. Anyway, the court's ruling went against HMV people, at that time.

Looking forward to some inputs from the maharathis here. And also uploads of the various versions at the respective sub-fora if possible

Results of some more googling:
---- Tamil version can be heard here: Yeru Pootti Povaayae
---- Telugu version can be heard here: Eruvaka Sagaro

Couldnt locate the oldest folk tune though Would appreciate if someone has better quality originals, else I could record them off net to be uploaded here


This post has been edited by visuja: Sep 26 2005, 04:42 PM

[Priya]

Nirmala-ji and Priya-ji SPECIAL!

Couldn't resist uploading the Video Clip as well as the audio-track of this one!

Asha-ji singing for I. S. Johar!!!!!

Supported by Manna Dey for Mukri, And do we also hear Kishore-da?

Video-clip in Real Media:


Audio track:

Do I sense some mischief here???? Is that role of ISJ supposed to be a reflection of something?????

[preet]

Asha-ji singing for I. S. Johar!!!!!

Supported by Manna Dey for Mukri. And do we also hear Kishore-da?

Video-clip in Real Media:


Audio track:

sorry to ask this question here but Unni are you sure about that??? there are only 4 listed songs in Bewkoof by KK???

[Priya]

Pata nahin but I too thot I hear him in the song.
Waise VN bk lists it as an Asha-Manna duet.

[sangeetbhakt]

sorry to ask this question here but Unni are you sure about that??? there
are only 4 listed songs in Bewkoof by KK???

This film is an anomaly in terms of the songs. There are Asha/KK duets
where Manna Dey sings 1 line. And I guess the reverse as well. Not
exactly sure how that came about or why.
Most of the music listings go by the primary singer in the song. And in
this case it is Manna Dey.

I had uploaded the songs of this film in the EHFKG thread in SKS and at
that time, I think there were a couple of such examples that were mentioned.

[Priya]

Yup, the 2 versions of tumi piya chikara.

[rom]

And of 'Sach Sach Sach' too...