What Is Sanskreet |
What Is Sanskreet |
desai2rn |
Jan 8 2007, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE is there anyy hindu literature which not in sanskrit but in local languages only and of importance?? Yes sbfan, one of the biggest literatures of all times, the Dnyaneshwari - written by Sant Gyaneshwar, was written in Marathi. It was specifically not written in sanskrit as he wanted the masses to avail of the knowledge that the brahmins so jealously guarded. I believe Tulsi Ramayan is written in Hindi by Sant Tulsidas , for similar reasons, so that it was avialable to the masses. Ramesh R a m e s h
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august |
Jan 9 2007, 12:54 AM
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Suhas, I think it is the other way round as far as my knowledge goes. Since the "Shri Bhagwadgeeta" written in Sanskrit was not accessible to the common man (due to the fact that the knowledge of Sanskrit was limited to a few elites), Sant Dnyaneshwar translated it into Marathi. That is the birth of Dnyaneshwari. It is not exactly word to word translation but "Rasaal Anuwad" ( extended translation or transliteration ?) could it be termed as 'Vivechan'? Dnayneshwar explained Geeta to masses. Waasaansi jeernaani yathaa vihaay navaani grihnaati naroparaani Tatha shariraani vihaay jeernaanyanyaani sanyaati navaani dehi { jaise jeern vastra sandije / mag nutan vedhije / taise dehaantaraate swikarije / chaitanya naathe //} "Never explain - your friends don't need it, and your enemies won't believe you anyhow." - Elbert Hubbard |
sbfan |
Jan 9 2007, 01:00 AM
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matlab auggi..
me.marathi mein nill appears to be sanksrit ki choti aur sabse pyari bahen MERI NEENDON MEIN TUM
MERE KHWABON MEIN TUM LONG LIVE SHAMSHAD BEGUM |
august |
Jan 9 2007, 02:39 PM
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many regional languages were derived from Sanskrit.
in Marathi, most of the words have their origin in Sanskrit. other than Sanskrit, Marathi borrows many words from Urdu and other languages. "Never explain - your friends don't need it, and your enemies won't believe you anyhow." - Elbert Hubbard |
oye_sonu |
Jan 10 2007, 12:32 AM
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Salaam to all members who posted in this thread. thanks to Suhas bhai .
So much to learn from all of you ! Sonu PS : not to start a Regional conflict in HF but is Tamil not older then Sanskrit??? I think I have read this somewhere ??? It is said that Tamil is mother of many Dravidian languages as Sanskrit is of all devnagri/norther languages ?? ( plz not pitai if iam wrong ) forgive me if I miss replying or reading ur post............bit busy :-( !
Duniya ne kitna samjhaya, kaun hai apna kaun paraya Phir bhi dil ki chot chhupa kar humne aapka dil behalya Khud hi mar mitne ki ye zid hai hamaari...... sach hai duniya waalon hum hain anari ! ......back to basics!!! My artists :- Shankar Jaikishan- Composers with magical touch !! This year we CELEBRATE 60 years of Shankar Jaikishan music . come join the celebrations ! Join the SJ fans group for more information : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/shankarjaikishan/ Join FACEBOOK shankar jaikishan group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=123537751015751 |
sbfan |
Jan 10 2007, 12:53 AM
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wah sonu kya ratio hai!!!!!!!!!!!!! tumhara....... what i learnt TAMIL is too derived from sanskrit
MERI NEENDON MEIN TUM
MERE KHWABON MEIN TUM LONG LIVE SHAMSHAD BEGUM |
august |
Jan 10 2007, 03:50 AM
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for origin of Tamil, please refer to following article.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5180/tamil7.html "Never explain - your friends don't need it, and your enemies won't believe you anyhow." - Elbert Hubbard |
visuja |
Jan 10 2007, 08:43 AM
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Sigh august...
The very first line in that artricle says .... when the Aryans came into India through the khyber pass.., and I thought there was no aryan invasion ever, which was proved beyond doubt by recent genetic studies of Indians and Central Asians. Where is bibhas' wonderful article / link on the Migration Theory when one needs to find it ? As for which came first Tamil or Sanskrit... I quite often find myself sandwiched between the devil and the deep-sea ! jinhein ataa kii hai tu ne taaqat, unhein hidaayat kii roshnii de |
bibhas |
Jan 10 2007, 09:09 AM
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Sigh august... The very first line in that artricle says .... when the Aryans came into India through the khyber pass.., and I thought there was no aryan invasion ever, which was proved beyond doubt by recent genetic studies of Indians and Central Asians. Where is bibhas' wonderful article / link on the Migration Theory when one needs to find it ? As for which came first Tamil or Sanskrit... I quite often find myself sandwiched between the devil and the deep-sea ! Vivek, Tumne bulaaya aur....... here is the link to my post describing that article. http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=225038 Let me know if you want the original PNAS paper. Bibhas A science that does not deliver us to the portals of metaphysics is a failed science and a religion that does not embrace physics is not grounded in reality.
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visuja |
Jan 10 2007, 09:54 AM
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Thanks bibhas . a pdf file of the original PNAS article (or the complete article reference) would also be just fine
USRafian's detailed article just a few posts below the link is also worth reading and is very informative. jinhein ataa kii hai tu ne taaqat, unhein hidaayat kii roshnii de |
sbfan |
Jan 10 2007, 10:08 AM
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Hi Friends
what are the recent developments for the question of Aryan Invasion. Plz answer in detail regards sbfan MERI NEENDON MEIN TUM
MERE KHWABON MEIN TUM LONG LIVE SHAMSHAD BEGUM |
NATURE |
Jan 10 2007, 06:10 PM
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But note the extra 'a' in my post. sorry, it's all my fault. i didn't notice that a. and thanks for the info. PS : not to start a Regional conflict in HF but is Tamil not older then Sanskrit??? I think I have read this somewhere ??? It is said that Tamil is mother of many Dravidian languages as Sanskrit is of all devnagri/norther languages ?? ( plz not pitai if iam wrong ) good question. but what have you read ? tamil is not older or is older ? don't worry. no pitaai and regional conflict here. hahaha !!! wah sonu kya ratio hai!!!!!!!!!!!!! tumhara....... what i learnt TAMIL is too derived from sanskrit i think you are right. but it's controversial now coming to the topic, there are total 73 dravidian languages. tamil, telugu, malayalam, kannada, tulu, bellari, konda, koya ... as far as i believe all indian languages have one and only parent and that's sanskrit. indo-aryan languages are surely daughters of sanskrit, even though dravidian languages sound quite different, the linguistics say: there are thirty to seventy per cent Sanskrit words in south Indian languages like telugu, malayalam and tamil, which can be attributed to the heavy borrowing of vocabulary from the elite indo-aryan languages. kan, tel and mal have the highest incidence of loans from sanskrit while tam has the lowest. now why tamil has the lowest ? the reason i heard is: during the medieval period and also in 20th century(by parithimaar kalaignar and maraimalai adigal), a large number of sanskrit loan words were washed away to make tamil a pure and independent language. ( this movement is called thanith thamizh iyakkam (meaning pure Tamil movement) ) is there any such movement amongst indo-aryan languages ? i guess not. tamil literature and language can be categorized into three periods: ancient (500 BCE to 700 CE), medieval (700 CE to 1500 CE) and modern (1500 CE to the present) and the oldest tamil literature contains: vishnu and other religious stories which again i believe came from sanskrit language. now when did sanskrit come into existance ? no precise time, let alone the pre-classical form of sanskrit, the classical and standard sanskrit dates back to 1500 BCE. still i have doubt. i request wise persons like bibhas and mandi to pour some light. i look forward to them. p.s. the oldest form of tamil is called centamil p.s.1: which culture is older ? dravid or kaling ? Jo Milte hain, voh nahi milte
Aur Jo Nahi Milte, Vohin Vaastav mein milte hai Kaaran jo hai, voh nahi hai Aur jo nahi hai, vohin hai. Ye keval Shabdo ki heraa-pheri nahi hai Aur heraa-pheri hain bhi Yehin Darshan hai Aur isi hone naa hone, milne naa milne ke beech mein maayaa kaa samudra hai |
bibhas |
Jan 10 2007, 08:02 PM
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Hi Friends what are the recent developments for the question of Aryan Invasion. Plz answer in detail regards sbfan sbfan, Please refer to posts 48-58 on this thread and you'll be pretty much up to date. The final word is that there was never an Aryan invasion- we have archealogical, geographical and genetic evidence in support of this conclusion. The river Saraswathi, which was a major source of water apart from Sindhu (or Indus) nadi for the people of the Indus Valley Civilization (now referred to as the Saraswathi-Sindhu Valley Civilization), dried up over the course of time and this forced our ancestors to move further east in search of more fertile rivers. Thanks bibhas . a pdf file of the original PNAS article (or the complete article reference) would also be just fine USRafian's detailed article just a few posts below the link is also worth reading and is very informative. Here you go Vivek: I am uploading the original PNAS article. Attached File(s) Aryan_Invasion_DNA_dis_proof.pdf ( 950.1 k ) Number of hits: 11 by members A science that does not deliver us to the portals of metaphysics is a failed science and a religion that does not embrace physics is not grounded in reality.
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oye_sonu |
Jan 11 2007, 06:17 PM
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Thanks every one for the information. I was bit doubtful thts wh wanted to know from knowldgble members.
This topic is of immense interest for me....... But I hardly able to get good time to post any good stuff on this. ! Keep posting ! Sonu forgive me if I miss replying or reading ur post............bit busy :-( !
Duniya ne kitna samjhaya, kaun hai apna kaun paraya Phir bhi dil ki chot chhupa kar humne aapka dil behalya Khud hi mar mitne ki ye zid hai hamaari...... sach hai duniya waalon hum hain anari ! ......back to basics!!! My artists :- Shankar Jaikishan- Composers with magical touch !! This year we CELEBRATE 60 years of Shankar Jaikishan music . come join the celebrations ! Join the SJ fans group for more information : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/shankarjaikishan/ Join FACEBOOK shankar jaikishan group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=123537751015751 |
oye_sonu |
Jan 11 2007, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE there are total 73 dravidian languages. tamil, telugu, malayalam, kannada, tulu, bellari, konda, koya ... as far as i believe all indian languages have one and only parent and that's sanskrit. indo-aryan languages are surely daughters of sanskrit, even though dravidian languages sound quite different, the linguistics say: there are thirty to seventy per cent Sanskrit words in south Indian languages like telugu, malayalam and tamil, which can be attributed to the heavy borrowing of vocabulary from the elite indo-aryan languages. Nature bhai Didnt knew That There are 73 Dravidain languages. I used to think they are around few dozens...30-40 max ! Thanks for information ! Regards Sonu forgive me if I miss replying or reading ur post............bit busy :-( !
Duniya ne kitna samjhaya, kaun hai apna kaun paraya Phir bhi dil ki chot chhupa kar humne aapka dil behalya Khud hi mar mitne ki ye zid hai hamaari...... sach hai duniya waalon hum hain anari ! ......back to basics!!! My artists :- Shankar Jaikishan- Composers with magical touch !! This year we CELEBRATE 60 years of Shankar Jaikishan music . come join the celebrations ! Join the SJ fans group for more information : http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/shankarjaikishan/ Join FACEBOOK shankar jaikishan group http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=123537751015751 |
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