Do You Know Any Pair Of Almost Identically Tuned Songs Of Rafi Saab?, I Now Know Not Eleven, But Twlve Pairs! |
Do You Know Any Pair Of Almost Identically Tuned Songs Of Rafi Saab?, I Now Know Not Eleven, But Twlve Pairs! |
SAJDAH |
Jun 21 2007, 08:37 PM
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Listen to the opening stanza of these three compositions - i bet you'll notice the similarity.
Tumhen Husn Deke Khuda Ne Pal Do Pal Ka Saath Hamara And the third is a nonfilm Gujarati song ( I'll be u/ling it on Auld Lang Syne in a short while.) Kahoon Chu Jawani Ne Pachi Vari Ja Here's the link: https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=383560 Sajdah "I live for those who love me, For those who know me true; For the heaven so blue above me, And the good that I can do." |
YaarMere |
Jun 21 2007, 08:43 PM
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Dil Bekaraar Sa Hai
Na Jaane Kyun Yeh Teri Sadagi They sound the same to me.... no? |
yob |
Jun 21 2007, 08:45 PM
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Dil Bekaraar Sa Hai Na Jaane Kyun Yeh Teri Sadagi They sound the same to me.... no? Bobby mudgel
PANDIT BOLA YE RAAT HAI----MULLA BHI BOLA YE RAAT HAI YE SUBEH SUBEH KI BAAT HAI' "brutality to an animal is cruelty to mankind-its only da difference in the victim." you don't need testimonials and trumpets to prove kishore kumar the best' |
nadeem mohd |
Jun 21 2007, 09:06 PM
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Listen to the opening stanza of these three compositions - i bet you'll notice the similarity. Tumhen Husn Deke Khuda Ne Pal Do Pal Ka Saath Hamara And the third is a nonfilm Gujarati song ( I'll be u/ling it on Auld Lang Syne in a short while.) Kahoon Chu Jawani Ne Pachi Vari Ja Here's the link: https://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=383560 Sajdah yah yah.. same tune there |
venkat |
Jun 21 2007, 09:18 PM
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Sajdah Ji,
As I mentioned in my very first post, pairs which are similar in parts, either in Mukhda or in Antara, are plenty. I am sure that you are with me when I said the two pairs (one of Iqbal Quereshi and the other of N.Datta) that I mentioned in my first post are almost identical both in Mukhada and Antaras. I am simply seeking more of such almost identical pairs, not just similar ones in parts. Well, Prince Ji's Dawa about the Kaise Kahoon duet and the Dr.Vidya duet needs to be examined, after we get the Dr.Vidya song also. Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
Mohammed Rafi: Highest Quantity Of Greatest Quality In Mind-boggling Variety!!! |
maheshks |
Jun 21 2007, 09:39 PM
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Venkatji...
Two tunes were used thrice All Rafi. 1. Tu hindu banega na musalmaan banega...dhool ka phool 2. kya kya na sitam tujh pe huye....mohini and 3. gham ho ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana...nai maa (1960) All Lata. 1. Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare 2. Hum tumhaare liye tum hamaare liye....inteqaam....MD Laxmi Pyare 3. Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare When you find peace within yourself, you become the kind of person who can live at peace with others
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venkat |
Jun 21 2007, 09:42 PM
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Venkatji... Two tunes were used thrice All Rafi. 1. Tu hindu banega na musalmaan banega...dhool ka phool 2. kya kya na sitam tujh pe huye....mohini and 3. gham ho ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana...nai maa (1960) All Lata. 1. Phool Ban jaayoonga shart yeh hai magar....pyar kiye ja...MD Laxmi Pyare 2. Hum tumhaare liye tum hamaare liye....inteqaam....MD Laxmi Pyare 3. Rokna hai agar rok lije magar....jaal..... MD Laxmi Pyare Very interesting, Mahesh Ji. I cannot place the third Rafi song(Nai Maa) you mentioned. Would you mind u/ling it, Mahesh Ji? Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
Mohammed Rafi: Highest Quantity Of Greatest Quality In Mind-boggling Variety!!! |
maheshks |
Jun 21 2007, 10:00 PM
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Here is the song from 78 rpm record
Gham hon ke sitam tu kabhi aansoo na bahana jhuk jaayega ik din tere kadmon pe Zamana. SINGER : MOHD RAFI MOVIE : NAI MAA (1960) MUSIC : RAVI This song was also sung by Suman Kalyanpuri. When you find peace within yourself, you become the kind of person who can live at peace with others
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venkat |
Jun 21 2007, 10:15 PM
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Agreed, Mahesh Ji, though there is some variance at "Aansoo Na Bahana" part. I think if "Tu Hind Bane" is 100, Kya Kya Sitam is 95 and this "Gham Ho Ke Sitam" is 87, in terms of identicality.
Thanks very much, Mahesh Ji. Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
Mohammed Rafi: Highest Quantity Of Greatest Quality In Mind-boggling Variety!!! |
nasar |
Jun 21 2007, 10:59 PM
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Venkat Saab here is the song you wanted
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Hari Ram |
Jun 22 2007, 02:58 AM
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Venkat bhai,
A few days ago, we had a brief discussion on the following songs in another thread: http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=379447 Bambai ka Chor (1962): hai bahaar-e-bagh-e-duniyaa chand roz, chand roz - Rafi Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha The more I hear these songs, they sound almost identical tunes. What do you think? Hari Ram |
venkat |
Jun 22 2007, 05:57 AM
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Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman. Prince Ji, The examination is over! The result: both the S.D.Burman songs cited by you are identical in tune, both in Mukhda and Antaras. I do not have to add even the 'almost' to the 'identical'! Hats off to you, Prince Ji, for giving me and other friends a genuine third pair of this nature! I really appreciate your musical sense. Regards, Venkat P.S. Incidentally, the Kaise Kahoon(1964) song was uploaded above by Lakshmi and the other Dr.Vidya(1962) song was uploaded by Nasar Ji. Must downloads for all, because they are nice songs and more importantly, because of their identicality in tune! I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
Mohammed Rafi: Highest Quantity Of Greatest Quality In Mind-boggling Variety!!! |
venkat |
Jun 22 2007, 08:09 AM
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Venkat bhai, A few days ago, we had a brief discussion on the following songs in another thread: http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=379447 Bambai ka Chor (1962): hai bahaar-e-bagh-e-duniyaa chand roz, chand roz - Rafi Aadmi Aur Insaan (1969): zindagi ke rang kayi re, saathi re - Asha The more I hear these songs, they sound almost identical tunes. What do you think? Hari Ram Hari Bhai, I feel you are certainly right as far as the Mukhdas are concerned. But, I do not remember the Antara of the Asha song (Zindagi Ki Rang Kayi Re) to give my comment on the Antaras. But, if you found the Antaras too as very similar, then there is a case to include them in the list. But then, they are by different singers! Venkat I have changed many views in life since my childhood, but not my view of Rafi Saab as the God-sent Gandharva who visited this Earth briefly to spread ultimate ecstasy among genuine music-lovers!
Mohammed Rafi: Highest Quantity Of Greatest Quality In Mind-boggling Variety!!! |
princeali |
Jun 22 2007, 09:51 AM
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Prince Ji, The examination is over! The result: both the S.D.Burman songs cited by you are identical in tune, both in Mukhda and Antaras. I do not have to add even the 'almost' to the 'identical'! Hats off to you, Prince Ji, for giving me and other friends a genuine third pair of this nature! I really appreciate your musical sense. Regards, Venkat P.S. Incidentally, the Kaise Kahoon(1964) song was uploaded above by Lakshmi and the other Dr.Vidya(1962) song was uploaded by Nasar Ji. Must downloads for all, because they are nice songs and more importantly, because of their identicality in tune! Thanks Venkat ji Thank You as well for pointing out the other two pairs, it is a great find, and shows you have a fantastic ear for music !. Would you happen to know why SDB composed the same exact tune for both song situations ?. It is not as if he had a dearth of tunes, and I doubt he would have forgotten that he composed the same tune earlier. What could be the reason for this ?. Prince Ali |
sri |
Jun 22 2007, 09:53 AM
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Main Kal Phir Milungi (Lata & Rafi) - Dr. Vidya & Kisi Ki Mohabbat Mein (Asha & Rafi) - Kaise Kahoon Both have the same exact tune, both are composed by S.D Burman. Good find - PA - they are indeed identical !! And thanks to Venkat for starting off this interesting search. 1964 was the period when SDBurman was laid up...he stopped taking up new films and and had difficulty in completing his films on hand. It is possible that faced with this situation, this idea may have occurred to someone - to use an old (and not so well known) tune fitted with new words - with the approval ( or not !! ) of the producer/director. Sri "Jis din is duniya se nafrat aur khudgarzi mit jaayegi, us roz yeh insaan naachega, us roz yeh dharti gaayegi" - Rajinder Krishan (Maa baap 1959)
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