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vivekpm
post Jul 19 2005, 11:58 PM
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Aliens!!! This is the topic which intrigues me everytime I ponder upon it...

I used to run SETI sometime back hoping that I would some day help in making contacts with extra-terrestial creatures smile1.gif.

Would like to invite talks on this topic. One thing that I have always wondered is why have most, if not all, research on aliens concentrated in finding possible places in universe which can support life, that is, which has water in some form, sustainable temperatures etc...? Is it not possible that the definition of life can be different for aliens? I mean they may not require water at all. They may sustain only at 1000+ temperatures or at sub-zero temperatures. Why is this not possible? After all, the notion that to sustain life we need favourable conditions like presence of water etc., is concieved by us. For aliens, "favourable conditions" may be different.

Would request anyone who has done some reading on this to please throw more lights and possibly supply pointers to good research material...

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Vivek...

PS: Thanks NimmiJi for this new forum...
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post Oct 28 2006, 02:22 PM
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Soil minerals point to planet-wide ocean on Mars

An ocean of water once wrapped around Mars, suggests the discovery of soil chemicals by NASA’s rovers. But the same chemicals also indicate that life was not widespread on the planet at the time the ocean was present.

Sulphates, which form most readily in liquid water, had already been detected by the Spirit and Opportunity rovers. The minerals have been interpreted as evidence for past bodies of water on the surface. But it has not been clear how large these bodies of water might have been.

Now, a new analysis of rover data suggests that the sulphates were once dissolved in a planet-wide ocean. The study was carried out by James Greenwood of Wesleyan University and Ruth Blake of Yale University, both in Connecticut, US.

The researchers point out that phosphates, which are also linked to water, are also present at both sites. More importantly, the ratio of phosphates to sulphates is about the same at both locations. They say the most likely explanation for this is that any local variations were smoothed out by mixing in a planet-wide ocean.


Acidic sea
Some researchers argue that a broad, flat area in Mars's northern hemisphere is the relic of an ancient ocean, and point to rock weathering that could have been caused by seawater. But the uniform phosphorus-to-sulphur ratio is the first chemical evidence that such a large body of water might have once existed.

The phosphorus was probably leached from rocks in the form of calcium phosphate, the researchers say. The fact that it appears to have been dissolved and mixed with sulphates in large amounts suggests that the hypothesised ocean must have been very acidic, because calcium phosphate only dissolves well in acidic water.

A phosphorus-rich ocean is a bad sign for past Mars life. Phosphorus is an important element for life on Earth, and is quickly extracted from the environment by organisms. If life were extensive on Mars, it would not have left so much phosphorus dissolved in the water, the researchers say.

"To a first order approximation, you couldn't have had a biosphere that was anything like the one on Earth," Greenwood says.


Lots of lakes?
Michael Wyatt of Brown University in Rhode Island, US, says the idea of a past ocean on Mars fits well with the phosphorus and sulphur data, but adds that several smaller bodies of water might also explain it.

"It's kind of hard to pin down smaller bodies of water versus one large ocean," he told New Scientist. Another possible explanation for the data would be many bodies of water that have similar chemistry, he says.

The researchers admit that the similar phosphate-to-sulphate ratio seen on opposite sides of the planet could also arise if wind mixed these materials together after the bodies of water disappeared.




Journal reference: Geology (vol 34, p 953)



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vivekpm   Aliens   Jul 19 2005, 11:58 PM
Mandrake   Vivek, good point. However, when earth-scientists...   Jul 20 2005, 08:50 AM
vivekpm   Good explaination Mandrake... One more point th...   Jul 20 2005, 03:00 PM
vivekpm   Vivek, good point. However, when earth-scientist...   Oct 18 2005, 09:55 PM
Nimii   Instead of finding a place to live with the curren...   Jul 20 2005, 08:56 AM
Chitralekha   The biggest proof that there is intelligent life l...   Jul 20 2005, 08:57 AM
Mandrake   If they are extinct, tough luck. But if they are ...   Jul 20 2005, 03:47 PM
vivekpm   Mandrake, you have brought to light one more int...   Jul 20 2005, 06:41 PM
YaarMere   Wot abt Area51 n Roswell, is there any truth to th...   Jul 20 2005, 06:21 PM
tusharhaldanker82   Our universe is so large that this discussion can ...   Jul 22 2005, 02:19 AM
vivekpm   True Tushar that universe is infinite. But the q...   Jul 22 2005, 09:49 AM
Mandrake   Vivek, it is an educated guess that if they find u...   Jul 22 2005, 12:16 PM
vivekpm   Yes Mandrake. Long way to go before we meet some...   Jul 22 2005, 01:42 PM
suhana_safar   As a child I used to think we are alone but now I ...   Jul 22 2005, 12:48 PM
Nimii   But then SS u never know.. they may be juz functio...   Jul 22 2005, 12:50 PM
suhana_safar   Nimmi I know what you are trying to say. But wh...   Jul 22 2005, 01:04 PM
Nimii   I wish o wish I would meet an alien (definitely wo...   Jul 22 2005, 01:55 PM
Nimii   SS .. sowwy I didnt see ur post. Well why is it ...   Jul 22 2005, 02:00 PM
vivekpm   Very true. It is in our nature to look at the ne...   Jul 22 2005, 02:14 PM
suhana_safar   Very true. It is in our nature to look at the ne...   Jul 22 2005, 03:04 PM
Nimii   No doubt at all... but all these negative things a...   Jul 22 2005, 03:13 PM
suhana_safar   Yes Nimii you are right, I could also mention pl...   Jul 22 2005, 04:11 PM
vivekpm   Yes Nimii you are right, I could also mention pl...   Jul 22 2005, 04:25 PM
shivani   : ) Kind of late to revive this topic I guess.. b...   Aug 2 2005, 12:50 PM
Mandrake   Shivani, I need to welcome you once again (prov...   Aug 2 2005, 01:29 PM
Poppy   I really missed this section of HF After GURU...   Aug 11 2005, 12:30 PM
vivekpm   Good pointer Sachin. While reading on Drake equa...   Aug 11 2005, 04:03 PM
qhabibi   I Want To Meet President Of United States Of Ameri...   Aug 11 2005, 01:05 PM
Poppy   Yes you are right vivek another interesting part ...   Aug 11 2005, 05:54 PM
vivekpm   This is exactly what I had pointed in one of my ...   Aug 11 2005, 06:05 PM
vivekpm   One more prospect for life outside our planet?...   Aug 31 2005, 02:36 PM
Mandrake   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gia...   Aug 31 2005, 03:19 PM
zashakeel   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gi...   Oct 8 2005, 03:32 PM
vivekpm   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gi...   Mar 19 2006, 02:00 AM
Mandrake   Vivek, main is khel ka purana khiladi hoon ;) Par...   Oct 19 2005, 08:52 AM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Jan 7 2006, 03:23 PM
vivekpm   Source Any comments specifically on the underli...   Mar 19 2006, 12:49 AM
shivani   This is a theroy much talked about... but there ...   Mar 19 2006, 12:54 AM
vivekpm   This is a theroy much talked about... but there...   Mar 19 2006, 01:06 AM
shivani   Ah! There was a show they did on Titan, and h...   Mar 19 2006, 01:17 AM
vivekpm   Yeah, Cassini it was (the satellite sent to study ...   Mar 19 2006, 01:36 AM
shivani   oh no.. it is not water.. it is nitrogen Oxide : )...   Mar 19 2006, 01:41 AM
vivekpm   Ohk... I must have mixed up then. Remember vaguely...   Mar 19 2006, 01:57 AM
Mandrake   Nice going fellas. Keep it up :thumbs-up: Btw, Ca...   Mar 19 2006, 07:26 AM
vivekpm   Also, just a humble thought for logical people l...   Mar 20 2006, 12:18 AM
shivani   .. so am judge dread!!! I really real...   Mar 19 2006, 10:40 AM
catch22   Does all this say something?   Mar 19 2006, 02:45 PM
Mandrake   lol, Catch, you seem to be putting me in a spot :)...   Mar 19 2006, 03:22 PM
catch22   We would only want to believe what we want to.   Mar 19 2006, 03:27 PM
priya   I came here looking for little green men. :( When...   Mar 19 2006, 09:57 PM
Nimii   Priyz it happens.. good channels always get snippe...   Mar 19 2006, 09:59 PM
shivani   Priya You mean to say.. you actually use that rem...   Mar 19 2006, 10:04 PM
priya   Priya You mean to say.. you actually use that re...   Mar 19 2006, 11:26 PM
Mandrake   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks f...   Mar 19 2006, 10:18 PM
priya   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks ...   Mar 19 2006, 11:27 PM
Mandrake   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks...   Mar 20 2006, 08:28 AM
vivekpm   What makes you think martians are more intellige...   Mar 20 2006, 10:43 AM
shivani   Sigh! Quite possible! and Vivek.. why do ...   Mar 20 2006, 10:47 AM
vivekpm   Sigh! Quite possible! and Vivek.. why do...   Mar 20 2006, 10:58 AM
Nimii   Sigh! (PS : My last spam here.. lest the grea...   Mar 20 2006, 01:01 PM
Mandrake   Vivek, computer jaise khilone toh sirf HF pe posti...   Mar 20 2006, 10:48 AM
vivekpm   Vivek, computer jaise khilone toh sirf HF pe post...   Mar 20 2006, 11:02 AM
Mandrake   Shivani, who dares throw you out? The Great Master...   Mar 20 2006, 10:50 AM
Mandrake   So who said that living cannot be earned out of to...   Mar 20 2006, 11:07 AM
vivekpm   So who said that living cannot be earned out of t...   Mar 20 2006, 11:45 AM
Nimii   An interesting read on this site.. Ppl who havent ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:03 PM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Oct 28 2006, 02:22 PM
Reeth   Mandrake, you have brought to light one more in...   Oct 30 2006, 12:00 AM
Mandrake   So what's stopping us? Have a go, Reeth :)   Nov 8 2006, 04:51 PM
Nimii   Well Mandrake everyone has "alienated" t...   Nov 10 2006, 12:09 PM
Mandrake   It depends on one's outlook ;) One can make a ...   Nov 10 2006, 12:30 PM
Nimii   May be they can send me! I have already recei...   Nov 10 2006, 12:52 PM
Mandrake   For 20 million Ewe-ace dhaalers you can take a tri...   Nov 10 2006, 12:59 PM
Nimii   Ok :lol: back to some serious stuff. Where did u r...   Nov 10 2006, 01:14 PM
Mandrake   New? This one is as old as the hills...so to say ;...   Nov 10 2006, 01:54 PM
Reeth   slight deviation from the above discussion..... S...   Nov 10 2006, 05:37 PM
Mandrake   Reeth, which year are these events from? Not this ...   Nov 10 2006, 06:41 PM
Nimii   I remember watching a tv serial on Star Plus some ...   Nov 10 2006, 06:54 PM
Mandrake   Told you why, na? :angry2: When the public outcry ...   Nov 10 2006, 07:06 PM
Nimii   Ailaaaaaaaa aisa kya :wacko: Sigh why do I never s...   Nov 10 2006, 07:10 PM
Reeth   Reeth, which year are these events from? Not this...   Nov 10 2006, 07:21 PM
Nimii   Or mebbe we see it as some kind of charisma in th...   Nov 10 2006, 07:25 PM
Mandrake   Are we really? Do you think americans are more a...   Nov 10 2006, 08:28 PM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Jan 9 2007, 11:49 AM


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