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vivekpm
post Jul 19 2005, 11:58 PM
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Aliens!!! This is the topic which intrigues me everytime I ponder upon it...

I used to run SETI sometime back hoping that I would some day help in making contacts with extra-terrestial creatures smile1.gif.

Would like to invite talks on this topic. One thing that I have always wondered is why have most, if not all, research on aliens concentrated in finding possible places in universe which can support life, that is, which has water in some form, sustainable temperatures etc...? Is it not possible that the definition of life can be different for aliens? I mean they may not require water at all. They may sustain only at 1000+ temperatures or at sub-zero temperatures. Why is this not possible? After all, the notion that to sustain life we need favourable conditions like presence of water etc., is concieved by us. For aliens, "favourable conditions" may be different.

Would request anyone who has done some reading on this to please throw more lights and possibly supply pointers to good research material...

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Vivek...

PS: Thanks NimmiJi for this new forum...
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post Mar 19 2006, 12:49 AM
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Earth rocks could have taken life to Titan
  • 18:08 17 March 2006
  • NewScientist.com news service
  • Maggie McKee, Houston

Boulders blasted away from the Earth's surface after a major impact could have travelled all the way to the outer solar system, new calculations reveal. The work suggests that terrestrial microbes on the rocks could in theory have landed on Saturn's giant moon, Titan. But whether they could have survived once there remains unclear.

The fact that meteorites from the Moon and Mars have landed on Earth confirms that impacts on solar system bodies can launch rocky debris to other planets. And previous studies have suggested that any life on the rocks could have survived the launch blast and the radiation and chill of the journey through space, assuming it lasted less than a few million years.

Such hardiness raises the possibility that life on Earth itself was seeded from space – a concept called panspermia. But now, researchers led by Brett Gladman of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, have analysed the reverse situation – that life on Earth seeded other bodies in the solar system. Gladman presented the results on Thursday at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston, Texas, US.

He says only boulders at least 3 metres across could punch out through the Earth's atmosphere and escape the planet's gravity, and that only extremely powerful impacts could achieve this. The cause of such impacts would be comets or asteroids between 10 and 50 kilometres wide, Gladman told New Scientist: "The kind of thing that killed the dinosaurs."


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The team ran computer models of such giant impacts, estimating that each would send about 600 million boulders into space to orbit the Sun. Some of those launched at relatively high speeds – faster than 6 kilometres per second – got as far as Jupiter and Saturn in about a million years.

In the simulations, about 100 of the boulders from each impact reached Jupiter's moon Europa. But along the way, Jupiter's gravity boosted their speed to an average of 25 km/s, with some moving as fast as 40 km/s. Impacting Europa's icy crust at such speeds would be like "hitting a brick wall," says Gladman. "This must be rather frustrating if you're a bacterium that survived launch from Earth."

But he found a different situation on Saturn's moon Titan, which boasts a thick atmosphere. About 30 boulders from each Earth impact reached Titan, and they slammed into the atmosphere at just 11 km/s – slower than most meteors hit Earth's atmosphere. "Those reaching Titan can aerobrake and drop their fragments onto the surface," says Gladman.


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"That kind of entry should be no problem" for life to survive, says Allan Treiman of the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, who notes that researchers recently found bacteria that appear to have survived the break up of the shuttle Columbia when it re-entered Earth's atmosphere in 2003. And Earthly lichen has also survived when exposed to the harsh environment of space.

"I thought the Titan result was really surprising – how many would get there and how slowly they'd land," Treiman told New Scientist. "The thing I don't know about is if there are any bugs on Earth that would be happy living on Titan." Titan's surface temperature is a very cold -179°C and its chemistry is very different from Earth's.

Gladman agrees that life may be unlikely to survive once on Titan. But he says major impacts may have happened "tens of times" throughout Earth's history and that these could have sent Earth rocks to other solar system bodies. "I just set out to answer this question: is it possible to get something there?" he says. "The answer is yes."



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vivekpm   Aliens   Jul 19 2005, 11:58 PM
Mandrake   Vivek, good point. However, when earth-scientists...   Jul 20 2005, 08:50 AM
vivekpm   Good explaination Mandrake... One more point th...   Jul 20 2005, 03:00 PM
vivekpm   Vivek, good point. However, when earth-scientist...   Oct 18 2005, 09:55 PM
Nimii   Instead of finding a place to live with the curren...   Jul 20 2005, 08:56 AM
Chitralekha   The biggest proof that there is intelligent life l...   Jul 20 2005, 08:57 AM
Mandrake   If they are extinct, tough luck. But if they are ...   Jul 20 2005, 03:47 PM
vivekpm   Mandrake, you have brought to light one more int...   Jul 20 2005, 06:41 PM
YaarMere   Wot abt Area51 n Roswell, is there any truth to th...   Jul 20 2005, 06:21 PM
tusharhaldanker82   Our universe is so large that this discussion can ...   Jul 22 2005, 02:19 AM
vivekpm   True Tushar that universe is infinite. But the q...   Jul 22 2005, 09:49 AM
Mandrake   Vivek, it is an educated guess that if they find u...   Jul 22 2005, 12:16 PM
vivekpm   Yes Mandrake. Long way to go before we meet some...   Jul 22 2005, 01:42 PM
suhana_safar   As a child I used to think we are alone but now I ...   Jul 22 2005, 12:48 PM
Nimii   But then SS u never know.. they may be juz functio...   Jul 22 2005, 12:50 PM
suhana_safar   Nimmi I know what you are trying to say. But wh...   Jul 22 2005, 01:04 PM
Nimii   I wish o wish I would meet an alien (definitely wo...   Jul 22 2005, 01:55 PM
Nimii   SS .. sowwy I didnt see ur post. Well why is it ...   Jul 22 2005, 02:00 PM
vivekpm   Very true. It is in our nature to look at the ne...   Jul 22 2005, 02:14 PM
suhana_safar   Very true. It is in our nature to look at the ne...   Jul 22 2005, 03:04 PM
Nimii   No doubt at all... but all these negative things a...   Jul 22 2005, 03:13 PM
suhana_safar   Yes Nimii you are right, I could also mention pl...   Jul 22 2005, 04:11 PM
vivekpm   Yes Nimii you are right, I could also mention pl...   Jul 22 2005, 04:25 PM
shivani   : ) Kind of late to revive this topic I guess.. b...   Aug 2 2005, 12:50 PM
Mandrake   Shivani, I need to welcome you once again (prov...   Aug 2 2005, 01:29 PM
Poppy   I really missed this section of HF After GURU...   Aug 11 2005, 12:30 PM
vivekpm   Good pointer Sachin. While reading on Drake equa...   Aug 11 2005, 04:03 PM
qhabibi   I Want To Meet President Of United States Of Ameri...   Aug 11 2005, 01:05 PM
Poppy   Yes you are right vivek another interesting part ...   Aug 11 2005, 05:54 PM
vivekpm   This is exactly what I had pointed in one of my ...   Aug 11 2005, 06:05 PM
vivekpm   One more prospect for life outside our planet?...   Aug 31 2005, 02:36 PM
Mandrake   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gia...   Aug 31 2005, 03:19 PM
zashakeel   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gi...   Oct 8 2005, 03:32 PM
vivekpm   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gi...   Mar 19 2006, 02:00 AM
Mandrake   Vivek, main is khel ka purana khiladi hoon ;) Par...   Oct 19 2005, 08:52 AM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Jan 7 2006, 03:23 PM
vivekpm   Source Any comments specifically on the underli...   Mar 19 2006, 12:49 AM
shivani   This is a theroy much talked about... but there ...   Mar 19 2006, 12:54 AM
vivekpm   This is a theroy much talked about... but there...   Mar 19 2006, 01:06 AM
shivani   Ah! There was a show they did on Titan, and h...   Mar 19 2006, 01:17 AM
vivekpm   Yeah, Cassini it was (the satellite sent to study ...   Mar 19 2006, 01:36 AM
shivani   oh no.. it is not water.. it is nitrogen Oxide : )...   Mar 19 2006, 01:41 AM
vivekpm   Ohk... I must have mixed up then. Remember vaguely...   Mar 19 2006, 01:57 AM
Mandrake   Nice going fellas. Keep it up :thumbs-up: Btw, Ca...   Mar 19 2006, 07:26 AM
vivekpm   Also, just a humble thought for logical people l...   Mar 20 2006, 12:18 AM
shivani   .. so am judge dread!!! I really real...   Mar 19 2006, 10:40 AM
catch22   Does all this say something?   Mar 19 2006, 02:45 PM
Mandrake   lol, Catch, you seem to be putting me in a spot :)...   Mar 19 2006, 03:22 PM
catch22   We would only want to believe what we want to.   Mar 19 2006, 03:27 PM
priya   I came here looking for little green men. :( When...   Mar 19 2006, 09:57 PM
Nimii   Priyz it happens.. good channels always get snippe...   Mar 19 2006, 09:59 PM
shivani   Priya You mean to say.. you actually use that rem...   Mar 19 2006, 10:04 PM
priya   Priya You mean to say.. you actually use that re...   Mar 19 2006, 11:26 PM
Mandrake   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks f...   Mar 19 2006, 10:18 PM
priya   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks ...   Mar 19 2006, 11:27 PM
Mandrake   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks...   Mar 20 2006, 08:28 AM
vivekpm   What makes you think martians are more intellige...   Mar 20 2006, 10:43 AM
shivani   Sigh! Quite possible! and Vivek.. why do ...   Mar 20 2006, 10:47 AM
vivekpm   Sigh! Quite possible! and Vivek.. why do...   Mar 20 2006, 10:58 AM
Nimii   Sigh! (PS : My last spam here.. lest the grea...   Mar 20 2006, 01:01 PM
Mandrake   Vivek, computer jaise khilone toh sirf HF pe posti...   Mar 20 2006, 10:48 AM
vivekpm   Vivek, computer jaise khilone toh sirf HF pe post...   Mar 20 2006, 11:02 AM
Mandrake   Shivani, who dares throw you out? The Great Master...   Mar 20 2006, 10:50 AM
Mandrake   So who said that living cannot be earned out of to...   Mar 20 2006, 11:07 AM
vivekpm   So who said that living cannot be earned out of t...   Mar 20 2006, 11:45 AM
Nimii   An interesting read on this site.. Ppl who havent ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:03 PM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Oct 28 2006, 02:22 PM
Reeth   Mandrake, you have brought to light one more in...   Oct 30 2006, 12:00 AM
Mandrake   So what's stopping us? Have a go, Reeth :)   Nov 8 2006, 04:51 PM
Nimii   Well Mandrake everyone has "alienated" t...   Nov 10 2006, 12:09 PM
Mandrake   It depends on one's outlook ;) One can make a ...   Nov 10 2006, 12:30 PM
Nimii   May be they can send me! I have already recei...   Nov 10 2006, 12:52 PM
Mandrake   For 20 million Ewe-ace dhaalers you can take a tri...   Nov 10 2006, 12:59 PM
Nimii   Ok :lol: back to some serious stuff. Where did u r...   Nov 10 2006, 01:14 PM
Mandrake   New? This one is as old as the hills...so to say ;...   Nov 10 2006, 01:54 PM
Reeth   slight deviation from the above discussion..... S...   Nov 10 2006, 05:37 PM
Mandrake   Reeth, which year are these events from? Not this ...   Nov 10 2006, 06:41 PM
Nimii   I remember watching a tv serial on Star Plus some ...   Nov 10 2006, 06:54 PM
Mandrake   Told you why, na? :angry2: When the public outcry ...   Nov 10 2006, 07:06 PM
Nimii   Ailaaaaaaaa aisa kya :wacko: Sigh why do I never s...   Nov 10 2006, 07:10 PM
Reeth   Reeth, which year are these events from? Not this...   Nov 10 2006, 07:21 PM
Nimii   Or mebbe we see it as some kind of charisma in th...   Nov 10 2006, 07:25 PM
Mandrake   Are we really? Do you think americans are more a...   Nov 10 2006, 08:28 PM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Jan 9 2007, 11:49 AM


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