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shivani
post Feb 10 2006, 10:43 PM
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I was watching a program , which suggests that Apes evolved into Homo Sapiens, not only because of adaption, but also that the process was driven by some genes inside us. We remembered what we have to become, and that memory helped us become human.

But the process is not yet over. We are still evolving.
Most of the information available is in french though sad1.gif.

Any other info on same??

MJ ???
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post Feb 16 2006, 05:14 PM
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Personally, I find this very hard to believe. In my opinion, evolution is not directed. It, however, appears to be so due to the selection pressure which confers specific survival advantages to the species that adapt and wipes out the ones that don't.


mmm I too am skeptic about it.. but then it could be a possibility and cannot and should not be just brushed aside.
Tried a lot to find more info on this, but its all french to me (literally).
Either of you found more material ?

BTW Bibhas they mentioned that the genetic memory was specifically stored in the jaw area (dont remeber which part of it exactly). Different parts of body contain different kind of genetic information ???? Kind of strange.

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post Feb 19 2006, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(shivani @ Feb 16 2006, 06:44 AM) *

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Personally, I find this very hard to believe. In my opinion, evolution is not directed. It, however, appears to be so due to the selection pressure which confers specific survival advantages to the species that adapt and wipes out the ones that don't.


mmm I too am skeptic about it.. but then it could be a possibility and cannot and should not be just brushed aside.
Tried a lot to find more info on this, but its all french to me (literally).
Either of you found more material ?


No Shivani. I'll have to learn French for that !
Let me explain what I mean when I say "evolution appears to be directed due to the selection pressure".
Let's say you embark on a home decoration project and decide to decorate part of your living room with conch-shells. So you go to the beach searching for some. Since you want them to "match" the decor of the rest of the living room, you choose only to collect those that are perfectly spiral and off-white with choco-brown streaks on the body of the shell. It takes you a while because your criteria are tough but eventually you find enough, discard the rest and decorate your room with them. A guest who has never seen a conch shell in his life arrives from Timbuktu and admires your conch-chell collection a lot. How would he describe a conch-chell to his fellow Timbuktuites upon returning home ? A perfect off-white spiral with choco-brown streaks on the body- right ?
See where I'm going with that? In that example you are mother nature who imposed the "selection pressure" of your criteria such that only the "perfectly off-white spiral conch-shells with choco-brown streaks on the body" survived into your living room, because "mother nature" discared the rest. For a person whose world is only limited to your living room (or the fish that was born in the fish tank in your living room), that's what defines a conch-shell. "Mother nature" knows that there are other kinds of conch-shells out but to him or that fish...
We are all somewhat like that fish, because we only see the world as it appears to us, a mere snap shot of the duration of our lifetimes. We don't know all the processes that went through to make us what we are. It's easy to believe that our genes or somebody knew what we should be like today and constructed us to be so. But it's nothing more than the criteria that were imposed on our ancestors that brought us to Mother Nature's living room. The only difference is that you tossed back the conch shells into the ocean, being the bade-dilwali that you are, but "Mother" is really a cliche for Nature, and being the really tough taskmaster she is, all the ancestors that didn't make the cut were simply eliminated from the planet!

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BTW Bibhas they mentioned that the genetic memory was specifically stored in the jaw area (dont remeber which part of it exactly). Different parts of body contain different kind of genetic information ???? Kind of strange.

I'd like to see their scientific rationale behind that conclusion! Genetic "memory" is nothing but DNA, which is present in every single cell of your body, all over the body.

A science that does not deliver us to the portals of metaphysics is a failed science and a religion that does not embrace physics is not grounded in reality.
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shivani   Homo Futuris   Feb 10 2006, 10:43 PM
Mandrake   Will post some thoughts tomorrow.... time to sleep...   Feb 10 2006, 10:58 PM
shivani   :( neend ud jaye teri chain se sone wale   Feb 10 2006, 11:01 PM
bibhas   I was watching a program , which suggests that Ap...   Feb 11 2006, 10:46 AM
Mandrake   Bibhas comes out of Hibernation. Time for me to go...   Feb 11 2006, 02:02 PM
shivani   :look: :fight: :( .. rather take me along as w...   Feb 11 2006, 07:21 PM
bibhas   tum donon hibernation mein gaye to mera yahaan aan...   Feb 12 2006, 07:08 AM
shivani   mmm I too am skeptic about it.. but then it coul...   Feb 16 2006, 05:14 PM
bibhas   mmm I too am skeptic about it.. but then it cou...   Feb 19 2006, 12:08 AM
Mandrake   Since Bibhas is a biologist by profession, I would...   Feb 16 2006, 06:18 PM
bibhas   Since Bibhas is a biologist by profession, I woul...   Feb 19 2006, 12:55 AM
shivani   MJ .. you are biased.. I cant trust you. Please po...   Feb 16 2006, 06:46 PM
Mandrake   1) Biased? For believing in something strongly aft...   Feb 16 2006, 06:57 PM
bibhas   1) Biased? For believing in something strongly af...   Feb 19 2006, 02:18 AM
shivani   sigh! mahanautank. :spank: sharaft se links ...   Feb 16 2006, 07:03 PM
anurag   Bibhas, MJ, so did the evolution take place or not...   Feb 19 2006, 04:37 AM
bibhas   Bibhas, MJ, so did the evolution take place or no...   Feb 19 2006, 05:46 AM
bibhas   Bibhas, MJ, so did the evolution take place or no...   Feb 20 2006, 11:32 PM
Mandrake   Bibhas, I haven't gone through the lamba chaud...   Feb 19 2006, 02:29 PM
bibhas   I am not a doubter of people's abilities and ...   Feb 20 2006, 01:12 AM
bibhas   Bibhas, I haven't gone through the lamba chau...   Feb 20 2006, 01:42 AM
shivani   Bibhas Thanks a lot. I understand this is a text ...   Feb 19 2006, 05:36 PM
bibhas   Bibhas Thanks a lot. I understand this is a text ...   Feb 20 2006, 02:22 AM
Mandrake   Sorry to stick to my guns till proved wrong. But m...   Feb 19 2006, 06:05 PM
shivani   hmmmm You think human beings are mentally evolvin...   Feb 19 2006, 06:12 PM
Mandrake   Yes, backwards :( I treat Mahabharat as a true fa...   Feb 19 2006, 06:20 PM
shivani   ummm In your opinion the beings during Mahabharata...   Feb 19 2006, 06:38 PM
bibhas   Folks, I would like to know the following: 1. What...   Feb 20 2006, 02:52 AM
shivani   Lalitha I am very sorry to hear about the acciden...   Feb 27 2006, 06:40 PM
dimps   :unsure: A discussion which I read elsewhere, th...   Feb 20 2006, 12:47 PM
dimps   :blink: I tried to post the link, but somehow it...   Feb 20 2006, 12:54 PM
Mandrake   Interesting observation Dimps. A few points quickl...   Feb 20 2006, 12:57 PM
dimps   Hi Mandrakeji (Suhas) try the link now - I edited...   Feb 20 2006, 01:09 PM
Mandrake   Thanx Lalitha - the link is working now. Truly fas...   Feb 20 2006, 01:15 PM
dimps   Ya Suhas - will try asmuch as I can.. I did menti...   Feb 20 2006, 01:28 PM
Nimii   dimps ab bhi koi improvement nahi hai kya :(( You...   Feb 20 2006, 03:52 PM
dimps   Ya Nimmi - did that also - went to Shankara Nethra...   Feb 20 2006, 04:19 PM
Nimii   Sigh! Dimps ye kya hogaya :headbang: N :((   Feb 20 2006, 04:31 PM
shivani   We slowly ascended from lower life forms to what...   Mar 4 2006, 11:09 PM
shivani   Some more on what I found on how brain functions...   Mar 4 2006, 11:39 PM
dimps   Interesting observation Dimps. 2) Balaram and Kr...   Mar 17 2006, 11:47 AM
sri   2) Balaram and Krishna were both avatars of Vish...   Mar 17 2006, 12:03 PM
Mandrake   Yes Lalitha, we have always read that Balaram was ...   Mar 17 2006, 12:06 PM
vivekpm   But Balaram often is doing things that do not fal...   Mar 17 2006, 12:26 PM


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