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vivekpm
post Jul 19 2005, 11:58 PM
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Aliens!!! This is the topic which intrigues me everytime I ponder upon it...

I used to run SETI sometime back hoping that I would some day help in making contacts with extra-terrestial creatures smile1.gif.

Would like to invite talks on this topic. One thing that I have always wondered is why have most, if not all, research on aliens concentrated in finding possible places in universe which can support life, that is, which has water in some form, sustainable temperatures etc...? Is it not possible that the definition of life can be different for aliens? I mean they may not require water at all. They may sustain only at 1000+ temperatures or at sub-zero temperatures. Why is this not possible? After all, the notion that to sustain life we need favourable conditions like presence of water etc., is concieved by us. For aliens, "favourable conditions" may be different.

Would request anyone who has done some reading on this to please throw more lights and possibly supply pointers to good research material...

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Vivek...

PS: Thanks NimmiJi for this new forum...
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post Jul 20 2005, 08:50 AM
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Vivek, good point.

However, when earth-scientists scour the universe, they are looking for planets that have more or less identical conditions to planet earth as we know of it today. This is because they feel that identical conditions will hopefully produce identical life-forms, meaning, we might find an image of ourselves there.

The reason for the search of such life-forms is the hope that communications might be that much easier. Also, in case inter-planetary space travel permits physical travel to these planets, then the acclimatisation will not be an issue.

It is beyond doubt that such planets exist, as also planets with alternative life-forms.
It is only a matter of time before they are found.

Or they find us first.

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QUOTE(Mandrake @ Jul 20 2005, 08:50 AM) *
Vivek, good point.

However, when earth-scientists scour the universe, they are looking for planets that have more or less identical conditions to planet earth as we know of it today. This is because they feel that identical conditions will hopefully produce identical life-forms, meaning, we might find an image of ourselves there.



Trust me to dig out old threads tongue.gif

Mandrake, here is an article to support your statement...

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New map provides more evidence Mars once like Earth
NASA NEWS RELEASE
Posted: October 17, 2005

NASA scientists have discovered additional evidence that Mars once underwent plate tectonics, slow movement of the planet's crust, like the present-day Earth. A new map of Mars' magnetic field made by the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft reveals a world whose history was shaped by great crustal plates being pulled apart or smashed together.

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Artistic illustration of Earth magnetic field and Mars magnetic field. Earth's magnetic field protects the planet from harmful solar and cosmic radiation. Click on image to start animation. Credit: NASA

Scientists first found evidence of plate tectonics on Mars in 1999. Those initial observations, also done with the Mars Global Surveyor's magnetometer, covered only one region in the Southern Hemisphere. The data was taken while the spacecraft performed an aerobraking maneuver, and so came from differing heights above the crust.

This high resolution magnetic field map, the first of its kind, covers the entire surface of Mars. The new map is based on four years of data taken in a constant orbit. Each region on the surface has been sampled many times. "The more measurements we obtain, the more accuracy, and spatial resolution, we achieve," said Dr. Jack Connerney, co-investigator for the Mars Global Surveyor magnetic filed investigation at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.

"This map lends support to and expands on the 1999 results," said Dr. Norman Ness of the Bartol Research Institute at the University of Delaware, Newark. "Where the earlier data showed a "striping" of the magnetic field in one region, the new map finds striping elsewhere. More importantly, the new map shows evidence of features, transform faults, that are a "tell-tale" of plate tectonics on Earth." Each stripe represents a magnetic field pointed in one direction­positive or negative­and the alternating stripes indicate a "flipping" of the direction of the magnetic field from one stripe to another.

Scientists see similar stripes in the crustal magnetic field on Earth. Stripes form whenever two plates are being pushed apart by molten rock coming up from the mantle, such as along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. As the plate spreads and cools, it becomes magnetized in the direction of the Earth's strong global field. Since Earth's global field changes direction a few times every million years, on average, a flow that cools in one period will be magnetized in a different direction than a later flow. As the new crust is pushed out and away from the ridge, stripes of alternating magnetic fields aligned with the ridge axis develop. Transform faults, identified by "shifts" in the magnetic pattern, occur only in association with spreading centers.

To see this characteristic magnetic imprint on Mars indicates that it, too, had regions where new crust came up from the mantle and spread out across the surface. And when you have new crust coming up, you need old crust plunging back down­the exact mechanism for plate tectonics.

Connerney points out that plate tectonics provides a unifying framework to explain several Martian features. First, there is the magnetic pattern itself. Second, the Tharsis volcanoes lie along a straight line. These formations could have formed from the motion of a crustal plate over a fixed "hotspot" in the mantle below, just as the Hawaiian islands on Earth are thought to have formed. Third, the Valles Marineris, a large canyon six times as long as the Grand Canyon and eight times as deep, looks just like a rift formed on Earth by a plate being pulled apart. Even more, it is oriented just as one would expect from plate motions implied by the magnetic map.

"It's certainly not an exhaustive geologic analysis," said Dr. Mario Acuna, principal investigator for the Mars Global Surveyor magnetic filed investigation at Goddard Space Flight Center. "But plate tectonics does give us a consistent explanation of some of the most prominent features on Mars."

Results were published in the Oct. 10 edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.

Other scientists working on the project included Dr. G. Kletetschka of the Catholic University of America, Washington, DC, and Goddard Space Flight Center; Dr. D.L. Mitchell and Dr. R.P. Lin of the University of California at Berkeley; and Dr. H. Reme of the Centre d'Etude Spatiale des Rayonnements in France. Dr. Acuna leads the international team that built and operates the Mars Global Surveyor magnetometers. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington.


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vivekpm   Aliens   Jul 19 2005, 11:58 PM
Mandrake   Vivek, good point. However, when earth-scientists...   Jul 20 2005, 08:50 AM
vivekpm   Good explaination Mandrake... One more point th...   Jul 20 2005, 03:00 PM
vivekpm   Vivek, good point. However, when earth-scientist...   Oct 18 2005, 09:55 PM
Nimii   Instead of finding a place to live with the curren...   Jul 20 2005, 08:56 AM
Chitralekha   The biggest proof that there is intelligent life l...   Jul 20 2005, 08:57 AM
Mandrake   If they are extinct, tough luck. But if they are ...   Jul 20 2005, 03:47 PM
vivekpm   Mandrake, you have brought to light one more int...   Jul 20 2005, 06:41 PM
YaarMere   Wot abt Area51 n Roswell, is there any truth to th...   Jul 20 2005, 06:21 PM
tusharhaldanker82   Our universe is so large that this discussion can ...   Jul 22 2005, 02:19 AM
vivekpm   True Tushar that universe is infinite. But the q...   Jul 22 2005, 09:49 AM
Mandrake   Vivek, it is an educated guess that if they find u...   Jul 22 2005, 12:16 PM
vivekpm   Yes Mandrake. Long way to go before we meet some...   Jul 22 2005, 01:42 PM
suhana_safar   As a child I used to think we are alone but now I ...   Jul 22 2005, 12:48 PM
Nimii   But then SS u never know.. they may be juz functio...   Jul 22 2005, 12:50 PM
suhana_safar   Nimmi I know what you are trying to say. But wh...   Jul 22 2005, 01:04 PM
Nimii   I wish o wish I would meet an alien (definitely wo...   Jul 22 2005, 01:55 PM
Nimii   SS .. sowwy I didnt see ur post. Well why is it ...   Jul 22 2005, 02:00 PM
vivekpm   Very true. It is in our nature to look at the ne...   Jul 22 2005, 02:14 PM
suhana_safar   Very true. It is in our nature to look at the ne...   Jul 22 2005, 03:04 PM
Nimii   No doubt at all... but all these negative things a...   Jul 22 2005, 03:13 PM
suhana_safar   Yes Nimii you are right, I could also mention pl...   Jul 22 2005, 04:11 PM
vivekpm   Yes Nimii you are right, I could also mention pl...   Jul 22 2005, 04:25 PM
shivani   : ) Kind of late to revive this topic I guess.. b...   Aug 2 2005, 12:50 PM
Mandrake   Shivani, I need to welcome you once again (prov...   Aug 2 2005, 01:29 PM
Poppy   I really missed this section of HF After GURU...   Aug 11 2005, 12:30 PM
vivekpm   Good pointer Sachin. While reading on Drake equa...   Aug 11 2005, 04:03 PM
qhabibi   I Want To Meet President Of United States Of Ameri...   Aug 11 2005, 01:05 PM
Poppy   Yes you are right vivek another interesting part ...   Aug 11 2005, 05:54 PM
vivekpm   This is exactly what I had pointed in one of my ...   Aug 11 2005, 06:05 PM
vivekpm   One more prospect for life outside our planet?...   Aug 31 2005, 02:36 PM
Mandrake   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gia...   Aug 31 2005, 03:19 PM
zashakeel   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gi...   Oct 8 2005, 03:32 PM
vivekpm   Just for an update, Cassini recorded yesterday gi...   Mar 19 2006, 02:00 AM
Mandrake   Vivek, main is khel ka purana khiladi hoon ;) Par...   Oct 19 2005, 08:52 AM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Jan 7 2006, 03:23 PM
vivekpm   Source Any comments specifically on the underli...   Mar 19 2006, 12:49 AM
shivani   This is a theroy much talked about... but there ...   Mar 19 2006, 12:54 AM
vivekpm   This is a theroy much talked about... but there...   Mar 19 2006, 01:06 AM
shivani   Ah! There was a show they did on Titan, and h...   Mar 19 2006, 01:17 AM
vivekpm   Yeah, Cassini it was (the satellite sent to study ...   Mar 19 2006, 01:36 AM
shivani   oh no.. it is not water.. it is nitrogen Oxide : )...   Mar 19 2006, 01:41 AM
vivekpm   Ohk... I must have mixed up then. Remember vaguely...   Mar 19 2006, 01:57 AM
Mandrake   Nice going fellas. Keep it up :thumbs-up: Btw, Ca...   Mar 19 2006, 07:26 AM
vivekpm   Also, just a humble thought for logical people l...   Mar 20 2006, 12:18 AM
shivani   .. so am judge dread!!! I really real...   Mar 19 2006, 10:40 AM
catch22   Does all this say something?   Mar 19 2006, 02:45 PM
Mandrake   lol, Catch, you seem to be putting me in a spot :)...   Mar 19 2006, 03:22 PM
catch22   We would only want to believe what we want to.   Mar 19 2006, 03:27 PM
priya   I came here looking for little green men. :( When...   Mar 19 2006, 09:57 PM
Nimii   Priyz it happens.. good channels always get snippe...   Mar 19 2006, 09:59 PM
shivani   Priya You mean to say.. you actually use that rem...   Mar 19 2006, 10:04 PM
priya   Priya You mean to say.. you actually use that re...   Mar 19 2006, 11:26 PM
Mandrake   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks f...   Mar 19 2006, 10:18 PM
priya   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks ...   Mar 19 2006, 11:27 PM
Mandrake   Priya, are you looking for what clicks or stinks...   Mar 20 2006, 08:28 AM
vivekpm   What makes you think martians are more intellige...   Mar 20 2006, 10:43 AM
shivani   Sigh! Quite possible! and Vivek.. why do ...   Mar 20 2006, 10:47 AM
vivekpm   Sigh! Quite possible! and Vivek.. why do...   Mar 20 2006, 10:58 AM
Nimii   Sigh! (PS : My last spam here.. lest the grea...   Mar 20 2006, 01:01 PM
Mandrake   Vivek, computer jaise khilone toh sirf HF pe posti...   Mar 20 2006, 10:48 AM
vivekpm   Vivek, computer jaise khilone toh sirf HF pe post...   Mar 20 2006, 11:02 AM
Mandrake   Shivani, who dares throw you out? The Great Master...   Mar 20 2006, 10:50 AM
Mandrake   So who said that living cannot be earned out of to...   Mar 20 2006, 11:07 AM
vivekpm   So who said that living cannot be earned out of t...   Mar 20 2006, 11:45 AM
Nimii   An interesting read on this site.. Ppl who havent ...   Mar 20 2006, 01:03 PM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Oct 28 2006, 02:22 PM
Reeth   Mandrake, you have brought to light one more in...   Oct 30 2006, 12:00 AM
Mandrake   So what's stopping us? Have a go, Reeth :)   Nov 8 2006, 04:51 PM
Nimii   Well Mandrake everyone has "alienated" t...   Nov 10 2006, 12:09 PM
Mandrake   It depends on one's outlook ;) One can make a ...   Nov 10 2006, 12:30 PM
Nimii   May be they can send me! I have already recei...   Nov 10 2006, 12:52 PM
Mandrake   For 20 million Ewe-ace dhaalers you can take a tri...   Nov 10 2006, 12:59 PM
Nimii   Ok :lol: back to some serious stuff. Where did u r...   Nov 10 2006, 01:14 PM
Mandrake   New? This one is as old as the hills...so to say ;...   Nov 10 2006, 01:54 PM
Reeth   slight deviation from the above discussion..... S...   Nov 10 2006, 05:37 PM
Mandrake   Reeth, which year are these events from? Not this ...   Nov 10 2006, 06:41 PM
Nimii   I remember watching a tv serial on Star Plus some ...   Nov 10 2006, 06:54 PM
Mandrake   Told you why, na? :angry2: When the public outcry ...   Nov 10 2006, 07:06 PM
Nimii   Ailaaaaaaaa aisa kya :wacko: Sigh why do I never s...   Nov 10 2006, 07:10 PM
Reeth   Reeth, which year are these events from? Not this...   Nov 10 2006, 07:21 PM
Nimii   Or mebbe we see it as some kind of charisma in th...   Nov 10 2006, 07:25 PM
Mandrake   Are we really? Do you think americans are more a...   Nov 10 2006, 08:28 PM
vivekpm   Source Cheers,   Jan 9 2007, 11:49 AM


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