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post Apr 21 2007, 06:56 PM
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I don't believe in Ghosts or Spirits ... b'cuz ... 'Satan only influences people to do bad stuff, He does not assume forms or entities to scare people'. Ghosts are mere imaginations.

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You have a valid point, Haneef. I too don't actually believe in the paranormal stuff but some times you are scared of something unknown as I've already mentioned in my previous post or may be of aloneness. A normal man can never control his mind or his emotions--you cannot control laughter, the sorrow, the anger etc. and so also the fear. It requires really some yogic power to do so. Even the greatest ghost-buster will be suspicious of what is going on behind his back while entering the Chillingham castle.

Belief ( and so also the disbelief) is a preconceived mindset which we rarely budge from. The existence of ghosts and spirits may be still debatable but I've come across or heard of many persons who are said to be godly personalities and spiritual leaders and have millions of followers. May be they are very knowledgeable, pious and true to their virtues--I have reverence for such magnanimous personalities. But what surprises me is that many of my friends who are mad followers of one of such living dignitaries, see all supernatural powers in him. They see honey and vibhooti oozing out from his photo hanging on their living room wall and I cannot. It really embarrassed me once when I was there in a get together accidentally and I could not see the 'miracle' taking place when every body else in the room did. I was the odd man out and my friend jeered at me saying that the ...ji only shows all his chamatkars to his devotees only. Certainly it was not a bluff, but a belief (or maybe my disbelief?) There are were soon a no. of stories as to how the godman cured all incurable diseases with the touch of his hand, how the lost properties were gained and I was supposed to believe all this.

Certain activities, which we may call extraordinary capabilities or supernatural powers, are possible with yogic powers or will-power and they do have a scientific reasoning to some extent but we tend to exaggerate them out of proportions and end up in trash.

--Balaji

Balaji, I agree with you on this one, that some people really do possess to some extent ...'supernatural powers', through which they can cure others.

Let me tell you about another incident about a ghostly apparition I saw in a photo.
There is this famous Urologist who lives close to my house in Redhills, Hyd. named Dr.Aftab Hussain. Even though there is a huge age difference, we got along great cuz' my Grand father was a Dr. too. (So he would visit sometimes).
Dr. Aftab Hussain did most of his studies abroad in England, he would always tell me about the hard times he had to go through while studying there.
Once he was showing me his illumni/class pictures taken in England, I noticed that in one photo ... there was a white shadow standing among the rest of his class. When I asked who the shadow was ... he replied " This photo was taken on the last day of our graduating from the college ... all the time we thought this person(shadow) was a normal person, It was only after this picture came about every one found out that person was a 'Jinn' ". There were no whereabouts of him after that, nobody ever saw him again. Dr. Aftab Hussain was so very serious when he said this, there was no way he could be joking to me.

I even touched & felt the photo with my finger, thinking he must've just scraped it or something, But I couldn't find any. The photo was a genuine one, it is still hanging in his hospital.

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Then lets just go back to the topics on Ghostly sightings Noorie Ji,

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Sure, do you have more 2 share? Maybe? tongue1.gif

Noorie

No, I don't.
I just used that excuse for a change of topic, b'cuz we never come to a common stand ever ... as usual, do we.
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And is that really important? Why so? huh.gif

Noorie

Cuz' for once ... I wanna' know how it feels to be on the winning side.
You seem to win all the conversations/arguments ... all the time.
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Haneef, how do you know that there's such a thing as a "winning side" in a conversation ? There certainly isn't. Ask anyone, they'll tell you so.

The important thing is you have a bit of innocent fun along with others. That's all I am doing.

Why shud it matter that you blend in with the others? Wudn't that make you lose out on your individuality?
You can't really change people's perception of you, b'coz a lot of them are plain biased and prejudiced.
Therefore seeking their 'approval' is a waste of time.
I wudn't pursue that course if I were you.

Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle. tongue1.gif

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills. ninja.gif

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Haneef, how do you know that there's such a thing as a "winning side" in a conversation ? There certainly isn't. Ask anyone, they'll tell you so.




Just ask bobby and oye sonu they'll tell you if there is a 'losing side' or not.

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Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie


If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

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Haneef, how do you know that there's such a thing as a "winning side" in a conversation ? There certainly isn't. Ask anyone, they'll tell you so.




Just ask bobby and oye sonu they'll tell you if there is a 'losing side' or not.



ym bobby can defeat u any time any where------haan last time tum jeet gaye thee but tum kaise jeete ye sabko maaloom hai---aur bobby ko maaloom thaa ki former admin tumhare against kuch bhi nahin karenge--aur nuksaan bobby ka hi hoga--phir bhi ya hamari hi himmat thi ki itna sab jaante hue bhi tumse takra gaye--aur hf ko jitna nuksaan ym ki vajeh se hua hai-vo tou shayad hi kabhi puraa ho paye ye baat bhi sab jaante hain--
---aapke dost---azgar khan sahab kehte hain ki ym thoda sa blunt hai isliye log usko bura samjhte hai tou bhai mere -phir blunt hone ka koi scale nahin hota hai--aur na hi aisa ho sakta hai ki jis scale tak tumhara dost blunt hai--bas vahin tak jayaj hai--doosra koi ym se bhi jyada blunt ho sakta hai-----and ym---ye baat tou bhool jao ki neutral place or judges ke beech tum mere ko tou kya ek chote bachche ko bhi defeat de sakte ho---cause u r a sick person--jiska ilaaz bas ek hi hai--do teen baar pehle bhi medicine de chuka hoon---chahte ho tou ek baar phir doon kya??

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Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie


If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

Haneef


What! You don't believe that a castle cud be genuinely haunted???? mellow.gif

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Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie


If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

Haneef


What! You don't believe that a castle cud be genuinely haunted???? mellow.gif

Noorie

No, I don't. smile.gif
Do You ?

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Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie


If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

Haneef


What! You don't believe that a castle cud be genuinely haunted???? mellow.gif

Noorie

No, I don't. smile.gif
Do You ?

Haneef


Not just a castle or mansion, but even an outhouse, servants' help quarters, an abandoned well and a disused rail shunting station, can be haunted; I wud be sceptical if I hadn't 'seen' and 'felt' it 4 myself. sad.gif

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Not just a castle or mansion, but even an outhouse, servants' help quarters, an abandoned well and a disused rail shunting station, can be haunted; I wud be sceptical if I hadn't 'seen' and 'felt' it 4 myself.

Noorie


You've been there ?
Wow !
Can you please write about your 'experiences'.

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Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie


If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

Haneef


What! You don't believe that a castle cud be genuinely haunted???? mellow.gif

Noorie

No, I don't. smile.gif
Do You ?

Haneef


Speaking of castles which are far away from the countryside is understandable. What would you say if an entire building is haunted and that too right in the heart of the city?

Once, when I was in Bahrain, an arab friend while showing me the country pointed out a 7-storey building right in the heart of the city and located at the intersection of four roads. It was completely vacant. He said that the building was haunted by the Jinns. Imagine!

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If Judgement day was a mere formality, Why does Quran warns about the consequences Bad people will face in Hell.
I do agree that in the final end, everybody will be rewarded Heaven, But each day in 'Hell' is equivalent to 80 thousand years(something like that).
'Allah Talah' was so sure, that his Followers 'Bandhe' would not go astray, that he allowed Satan an inch of space in our hearts.
And it is due to this ... Satanic overpowering weak mortals, that there is crime & evil on this earth.
And if we ... do go astray, we will have to face 'Allah's wrath' ... which is 'Hell'.

I don't believe in Ghosts or Spirits ... b'cuz ... 'Satan only influences people to do bad stuff, He does not assume forms or entities to scare people'. Ghosts are mere imaginations.

Haneef




So you agree that Satan "overpowering weak mortals", is part of His predestined plan.
Just as Satan itself is a part of God's creation.

Not all people succumb 2 evil temptation, do they? Why not?
B'coz the Almighty hadn't willed that all people in the world have a predisposition towards evil.

God had willed that Satan wud defy Him, and turn people astray from the righteous path, it's His Will that just as Satan wud be proved wrong on the Judgement day, so wud the people whom He created Evil wud get their just desserts.

So, actually what we are doing is executing His Will, when we think it's we who are making a choice.
We are not.

Noorie

Noorie ji,
On the day of Judgement , Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) would go into sajdah ... lasting for days or years before God. Finally God would say ' Rise O Mohd. (Pbuh) What do you want' , then the Prophet will say "Ummah".
Then God would say " Fine .. you can go and get a third of your 'Ummah' back from Hell".

After getting his " Ummati" out of Hell, Prophet Mohd.(Pbuh) would go back into sajdah again ... & the same process is gonna go on till all the Ummati are going to be forgiven & placed in 'Heaven'.

This is how we are gonna be saved from hell fire ... finally.

God is not called "Zarra Nawaz" for no reason, If He sees even a slight glimpse of goodness in a person, He can grant him Heaven.
So it is our duty to walk on the path of Righteousness, & hope for the best. And not because God willed us to take the Right Or the Wrong path.
Man is not an animal, that he would be forgiven. Angels doesn't have hearts, so they won't do anything bad, its only Us who will be accounted for our deeds or misdeeds.

Haneef


Haneef, that is the Islamic view-point. A belief.

The other one is a fatalistic theory.

You can't possibly reconcile the two; it isn't worth trying.

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Guys, you have been discussing two different topics and both of them are huge: Taqdeer and now Intercession.
Very shortly, belief in Taqdeer is the basic part of IMAAN. Even in early Islamic period there was a great debate between Islamic scholars who have gone down in history as the Jabriyya and the Qadriyya, i.e. the fatalists and the exponents of Free Will. That period was also the period of the Mutazilites who were the Rationalists. Let me quote the following which I'm sure will answer a lot of our question:

Imam Hasan bin ‘Ali sent the following reply to Hazrat Hasan of Basra on that topic. I quote:

“I begin with the name of Allah, the most Merciful and most Gracious. I receive your letter indicating the anxiety over the controversy, and the state of bewilderment prevailing in the ummah. I am firmly in the opinion that he who does not believe in predestination of good and evil (like the Qadarites) is an infidel; and he who attributes evil to the Almighty like the (Jabarites) is a sinner. He who does good, does so by his own free will, and he who commits a sin, does so of his own accord. But still Allah is the Supreme Lord. Although He has given u the brain to decide, He is still Rule over your brain. He does not stop any man from doing good, nor does He force anyone to commit a sin. At the same time, He has the power to prevent man from committing a sin, but if He does not prevent him, it does not mean that He has forced him to do so. This is where the Jabarites have erred. Allah Almighty has given man the discretion to decide what is good and what is evil. He has also given him the power to do good and avoid evil. Thus His policy remains irrefutable. Wassalam."
Commenting on the above Hazrat Ali bin Usman al-Hajwiri (known as Hazrat Daata Ganje Bakesh in India and Pakistan) says in his famous KASHF AL MAHJUB:
"This means that he who does not attribute the power to do good or evil to God is not a Muslim. And one who ascribes evil to God is a sinner. That is to say those who disbelieve in predestination are Qadariya (Qadarites) and those who attribute evil to God are Jabriya (Jabarites). Man is free to act in accordance with the (limited) power given to him by God. And our religion (Islam) is between Jabr and Qadr. This is the crux of the problem which I wanted to make known. I have quoted the whole letter to show Imam Hasan’s knowledge of the secrets (haqaiq) of Islam."

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smile.gif Thanks Nasir, that was very illuminating.

The concept of freewill and predetermination is one of those wonderful philosophical / theological paradoxes that exist in nearly all religions of the world, and it’s not something that can be resolved easily ‘coz no one so far has come up with all the satisfactory answers.

So, cud we move on 2 saner topics like ghost busting please? tongue1.gif

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Now you make me very depressed noorie( with the fatalistic "KARMA" theory) ......i believe that my destiny is in my hands ......no doubt there are unforseen circumstances which may throw me off gear....but then i plan again shift gear and go on........ isn't that simpler? biggrin.gif
I am stll waiting ninja.gif Ghostly Anticipation ninja.gif


Not really. Sum people wud love 2 flow along with the tide. tongue1.gif

Did I say I am not one of them?

Reeth, have you tried watching / reading a spooky movie / book late at night ?
That's guaranteed to make anyone see ghostly visions in places where they've seen none b4! biggrin.gif

Try the book first, nothing like a little imagination 2 spur you on the ghostly hunt. tongue1.gif

Noorie


You are an Enigma noorie....i do flow wit the tide most of the time... at least...
hey i dont want an imaginative ghost.....the real thing....i am waiting for that...[/
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An "enigma"
and me? I cud say the same about you. tongue1.gif

Reeth, you want 2 see the "real thing", then how about booking urself into Chillingham Castle said 2 be the most haunted castle in England. mellow.gif
Has dungeons, even a torture chamber. sad.gif

CHILLINGHAM CASTLE

History

Chillingham Castle Has Protected Its Inhabitants For 800 Years. Having been owned by Earls Grey and their descendants since the 1200s, Chillingham Castle bears the scars of battle and has felt the sorrows of abandonment. The early beginnings of this Northumberland fortification date far back to the 1100s, following the Norman Conquest. A Norman nobleman, in hopes of providing his family with a prosperous estate, built the original watchtower of Chillingham, which would be used for centuries to warn inhabitants of potential invasion and bloodshed.

Due to its strategic location, many infamous characters have resided within the dark castle walls. One of the first visitors, though only residing within the watch tower, was England's King Edward I. Better known as “Edward Longshanks”, he stopped en route to war, where he was destined to fight the legendary Scottish hero William Wallace. His ancient room is still intact. Other residents were not guests, but were forced to call Chillingham home. Deserted inmates seized from numerous battles could be found counting down the depressing days of their imprisonment within the castle's shadowy depths. The torture chamber displays gruesome instruments used to inflict pain and punishment, such as a bed of nails, a stretching rack, thumb screws and branding irons, and the dungeon walls are etched with notes from its despondant population.

A witness to violence, Chillingham has also experienced it first hand. With raging armies to the north, attacks were not uncommon—thus explaining the many enhancements made to the castle’s defense system throughout history. It has a surrounding moat, a 12-foot-thick defense system and several towers, but after regularly accommodating the first unified King of Scotland and England on his journeys between the two nations, Chillingham began to be transformed. Violence faded, and in contradiction to previous reinforcements, Chillingham underwent an aesthetic makeover, replacing previous defenses with residential luxuries formerly unknown. It became a lavish estate with landscaped grounds and gardens, depicting the peace that would continue to sweep across the area of Northumberland, England and Scotland.

Centuries later, in a time more familiar, Chillingham was used as a barracks during the Second World War. Soon after, the castle fell into wretchedness haunted by infestation and rot. Though the castle was abandoned and the Grey family moved to a new home, the area would soon be restored to the magnificence that once radiated from within its core, and that can till be found today.

Hauntings

The name Chillingham Castle speaks for itself, as it is thought to be one of the most haunted castles in Britain. Unnerving accounts of ghost sightings from witnesses of both the past and present have given Chillingham its chilling reputation. The Blue Boy, or Radiant Boy, could possibly be the castle's most famous ghost. It used to be that at midnight, when the clock tower struck 12, there were fearful moans and cries coming from The Pink Room—a bedroom within the castle. After the moaning stopped, supposedly anyone in the bedroom would see a blurry image of a boy dressed all in blue, accompanied by a bright halo of light surrounding the four-poster bed. In the 1920s, a young boy’s remains were found by construction workers behind a 10-foot-thick wall and given a proper burial. Sightings of the Blue Boy have since ceased.

Another ghost believed to haunt the castle is that of Lady Mary Berkeley. In her time she was the wife of Ford, Lord Grey of Wark and Chillingham, and Earl of Tankerville. Having deserted his wife and their child, Berkeley was left to wallow in sorrow within the castle walls. The rustle of her dress is said to be audible as she wanders sadly through the hallways.



For now take a tour through this link: ninja.gif

Chillingham Castle

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Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie


If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

Haneef


What! You don't believe that a castle cud be genuinely haunted???? mellow.gif

Noorie

No, I don't. smile.gif
Do You ?

Haneef


Not just a castle or mansion, but even an outhouse, servants' help quarters, an abandoned well and a disused rail shunting station, can be haunted; I wud be sceptical if I hadn't 'seen' and 'felt' it 4 myself. sad.gif

Noorie


I have heard a lot about this place.....why dont you share your experience with us noorie?? rolleyes.gif



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Getting back on the ghost trail, I think you might change your views about the non-existence of ghosts after a night at the Chillingham Castle.

Brrrrrr, even the name gives me the chills.

Noorie


If I were living in UK, I definitely would've. ... Unfortunately I don't.

There's this upside down Mansion built in Wisconsin Dells, with spooky effects to it, to make it look haunted.
Must be the same case in Chillingham ... too.

Haneef


What! You don't believe that a castle cud be genuinely haunted???? mellow.gif

Noorie

No, I don't. smile.gif
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Haneef


Speaking of castles which are far away from the countryside is understandable. What would you say if an entire building is haunted and that too right in the heart of the city?

Once, when I was in Bahrain, an arab friend while showing me the country pointed out a 7-storey building right in the heart of the city and located at the intersection of four roads. It was completely vacant. He said that the building was haunted by the Jinns. Imagine!

NASIR.



Nasir, i was told by an architect friend that there is such a building in mumbai which is supposed to be haunted and there are no takers........it is somewhere close to peddar road/carmichael road area....



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post Apr 22 2007, 12:15 PM
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Haneef, how do you know that there's such a thing as a "winning side" in a conversation ? There certainly isn't. Ask anyone, they'll tell you so.




Just ask bobby and oye sonu they'll tell you if there is a 'losing side' or not.



ym bobby can defeat u any time any where------haan last time tum jeet gaye thee but tum kaise jeete ye sabko maaloom hai---aur bobby ko maaloom thaa ki former admin tumhare against kuch bhi nahin karenge--aur nuksaan bobby ka hi hoga--phir bhi ya hamari hi himmat thi ki itna sab jaante hue bhi tumse takra gaye--aur hf ko jitna nuksaan ym ki vajeh se hua hai-vo tou shayad hi kabhi puraa ho paye ye baat bhi sab jaante hain--
---aapke dost---azgar khan sahab kehte hain ki ym thoda sa blunt hai isliye log usko bura samjhte hai tou bhai mere -phir blunt hone ka koi scale nahin hota hai--aur na hi aisa ho sakta hai ki jis scale tak tumhara dost blunt hai--bas vahin tak jayaj hai--doosra koi ym se bhi jyada blunt ho sakta hai-----and ym---ye baat tou bhool jao ki neutral place or judges ke beech tum mere ko tou kya ek chote bachche ko bhi defeat de sakte ho---cause u r a sick person--jiska ilaaz bas ek hi hai--do teen baar pehle bhi medicine de chuka hoon---chahte ho tou ek baar phir doon kya??


bobby why dont we all start afresh?/ plz forget all the past happenings and move on.....it is a new scene here on hf now, new admin......be part of everything... biggrin.gif why don;t you share some of your experience here....??



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