Guru Songs Based On Raagas

List is almost ready GF. Based on raagas we can list the songs, with details of the song - movie, year, md, lyricist. Would appreciate we do not make requests (Plz Purple fairy this one is addressed to you), and u/l the songs as we discuss or categorize and list them.

MTM has uploaded many GURU songs under the Raag Rang forum too. I need to link them up here too.

N

wow...great !!

PLEASE PARDON MY IGNORANCE AND SOME ONE EDUCATE ME. Let me raise my very basic doubt at this very initial stage.I find all of them having different tunes.But then how do you say that the last cluster is all BHAIRAVI..! what essentially characterises a raag? how do i know the next song i hear is Raag Bhairavi or not..

some DHURINDARS can pl throw some roshni on this pl..

GF

let me try :

sigh, GF....what that means is :
any song can be played from any harmonium or any instrument's keys or sur...(without losing its raag name)
for example song "mere naina sawan bhado" is made out of the raag "shivranjini"
now guru sang that song from SA yane ki C......now lets say kumar sanu sings the same song, but from a different key (C#) now there is no change of raag there, coz he only sang it from different key (higher)..


a raag is made out of certain notes (musical notes)

there are 12 musical notes in music (general...all countries)
C...... C# ....... D....... D#....... E ....... F....... F#....... G .......G#....... A....... A#........ B

some raags only uses 5 of these notes and some raags use 7 of these nots and some uses less or more of these nots in themselves...

so, basically a raag is a combination of certain musical notes....if you use anything other than the one that is in the raag, you will break the raag....so that will no longer have same raag's name....


a good example would be , if you put an harmonium in front of you and try to sing all those songs of guru , from the same key , lets say from SA ,which is made from raag "bhairavi" you WIILL notice that they used only certain white keys and certain black keys(musical notes) for all the song (same keys but in different order)...basically you WILL find out that the person who wrote song "chingaari koye bhadke" and the person who wrote "aate jaate khubsoorat" used the SAME notes from the same raag to creat "aate jaate khubsoorat"....the only different is that he put the different notes in different places...

rem* ragaz have different times too...

soon i will bring you a chart, where it explaines, what raag is made out of which keys(musical notes) ?

here we go :

Really informative.

I am trying to understand all the intricacies, but seems very hard unless one sits with a harmonium and knows how to play it.

Kishoreda,

truly great.

Imagine the time and energy you have spent to make a dud like me understand...well, I am beginning to understand.Got most of what you have explained.Classical music is an ocean in itself..

I really feel indebted to you for this..

May i also reqest you to chip in as and when and give some xpert comments on the different ragaas being talked about..

thanks again

my pleasure guys....i hope i was some help....if you can understand these ragas, i tell you, you wont believe how much more you will enjoy guru's song....one more thing that i forgot was, you know there's this other raga which is called "darbaari" in old times when singers used to go to perform in front of the king, mostly they had to sing a song from raga "darbaari" so i believe the raga "dabaari" comes from kings darbaar...that song from "moghole azam" (pyar kya toh darnaa kya jab") has a touch of darbaari to it ....


now this pictures show all the notes in harmonium....so regarding our chart, if you hit (press) each note that was assigned to a raga, you should hear how a certain raga sounds in real life ...

you also can chose to start your SA from a different key....
but the 1st image is very much standard...

here is the another example...

Thanks Kishoreda for all the info.

I think I have to sit with the small synthesizer I have to understand what all these means in real sense.

you welcome dost..

now westren musicians have a little different names for all those harmonium/keyboard notes/keys...

so RE-KOMAL to westren music is called C# (C sharp)...
the black key after every white key is called # (sharp)
and before every white key is called "flat"

so , C# is the same as Db(D-flat) in westren music

symbols :
#= sharp
b= flat


here is the picture look at it..

Great Nimii....this is excellent...i am sure by the time we are through with this thread we would have compiled a valuable databse of KK's raaga based songs...

And wow, GuruFan!!!! you have asked a question which, i dont think even a music Vidhwan had been able to define precisely to date....Kishoreda has given a wonderful explaination and framework for explaining raaga...thanks kishoreda.....

I am no Dhurandhar at raaga (GF, you really seem to have fallen for this word).....what i know is any progression of notes in a systematic fashion is fundamentally a raaga, PROVIDED:
--it sounds melodious (now we have to differentiate cacophony from melody, don't we?)
--there are at least five notes in the progression of notes (normally five or seven)

So, while there are certain well known established raagas (established on account of their known melodious effect which made them being used by many people many times over over generations), that doesn't mean that all the raagas are over and out for good....infact new raagas get created every now and then by masters of music...and as these new found raagas find wider use, they get a nomenclature (of course at times over a proper naming ceremony function )

Now, why do two songs which are supposed to be based on same raaga sound different? (I also used to wonder about the same thing when i just started to appreciate music in school)...actually one cant go by the overt sound of it....the melodious feel of the two songs will be similar, if based on same raaga...so while on the face of it Kora Kagaz Tha Man Mera from Aradhana and Dil Pukare Aa Re Aa Re from Jewel Thief might sound different, both based on Raag Pahadi....if one notices carefully they are absolutely similar in their melodious feel and progression...the two songs could come across as different (again i would the word "on the face of it", because they are not fundamentally different), because:
--the taals (beats) on which they are being sung could be different
--there may be a small variation in the form of one of the notes missing from the progression in one of the songs, keeping the basic note progression same otherwise....no main note called "vadi", however, can be missing,

Bas Bas Bas....more than this will make it too technical...

eskayes

Wah, kishoreda....i just saw the beautiful depiction of the notes (with 'tivra' and 'komal' ones denoted) of the octave posted by you....i am sure by the time we are through with this thread, we would all be masters at it...please do keep educating us like this...
eskayes

so, now last but not least :

all these songs that has been catagorized under the raga "bhairavi" can be played by using only these musical notes..


Bhairavi
Chingari Koi Bhakde - Amar Prem - 1971 - Solo - RDB - Anand Bakshi
Aaj Tu Gair Sahi - Oonche Log - 1985 - Solo - RDB - Anjaan
Aate Jaate Khoobsurat - Anurodh - 1977 - Solo - Laxmikant Pyarelal - Anand Bakshi
Mana Janab Ke Pukara - Paying Guest - 1957 - Solo - SDB - Majrooh
Jin Raaton Ki Bhor Nahi - Door Gagan Ki Chhaon Mein - 1964 - Solo - Kishore Kumar - Shailendra
Tere Chehre Se Nazar - Kabhie Kabhie - 1976 - Lata - Khaiyyam - Sahir Ludhyanvhi
Apni To Aise Taise Thodi - Lawaris - 1981 - Solo - Kalyanji Anandji - Prakash Mehra
Mere Meheboob Qayamat Hogi - Mr X in Bombay - 1964 - Solo - Laxmikant Pyarelal - Anand Bakshi
Chali Re Chali Re - Mr X in Bombay - 1964 - Lata - Laxmikant Pyarelal - Anand Bakshi
Chehra Hai Ya Chand Khila - Sagar - 1985 - Solo - RDB - Javed Akhtar
Dukhi Pe Dukhi Ho - Satte Pe Satta - 1982 - Chorus - RDB - Gulsan Bawra
Koi Haseen Jab Root - Sholay - 1975 - Solo - RDB - Anand Bakshi
Shayad Meri Shaadi Ka Khayal - Souten - 1983 - Lata - Usha Khanna - Savan Kumar
Tum Jahan Jahan - Apna Haath Jagannath - 1960 - Asha Bhonsle - SDB - Kaifi Azmi
Hame Tumse Pyar - Kudrat - 1980 - Solo - RDB - Majrooh
Ek Ritu Aaye Ek Ritu Jaaye - Gautam Govinda - 1979 - Solo - Laxmikant Pyarelal - Anand Bakshi


so, long story short all these songs above made out of these musical notes...NO other notes were played during playing or making these songs..

doubts

corrections :

i think our mem sahab made few mistakes about few song under the catagory of "bhairavi"

1. Shayad Meri Shaadi Ka Khayal
2. Chehra Hai Ya Chand Khila
3. Mere Meheboob Qayamat Hogi

sorry folks personally i think these are not bhairavi...coz bhairavi has a ga (ga-komal) and these 3 song involes NO "ga"


let me check....