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post Mar 13 2006, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(priya @ Mar 13 2006, 12:02 PM) *

Either way, it will be a sigh, hai na Dimps. Is there anyone who never wonders--what if or what if not? sad1.gif

Waise the road less travelled by is not a pleasant one. The millions trotting on the well-worn parallel road point fingers at one as a freak!!! mad.gif

May I ask, aapke paas itna bada poetry ka khazana hai. Aapko kahan se milte hain? Aap khud likhti hain?


Very true Priya...I AM VERY OFTEN
considered A FREAK.... laugh.gif
more on this at an approriate place and time...
and NO..I do not have the talent to
write verses of my own - I only read and
absorb ?

I love wub.gif poetry - both in English and my mother
tongue TAMIL - have kept so many diaries and books
to them - which has been travelling with me to
all the houses that I have changed so far, from city
to city...

Priya.. a sort of reply to your last post...

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Tears, Idle Tears

Tears, idle tears, I know not what they mean,
Tears from the depth of some divine despair
Rise in the heart, and gather to the eyes,
In looking on the happy Autumn-fields,
And thinking of the days that are no more.

Fresh as the first beam glittering on a sail,
That brings our friends up from the underworld,
Sad as the last which reddens over one
That sinks with all we love below the verge;
So sad, so fresh, the days that are no more.

Ah, sad and strange as in dark summer dawns
The earliest pipe of half-awakened birds
To dying ears, when unto dying eyes
The casement slowly grows a glimmering square;
So sad, so strange, the days that are no more.

Dear as remembered kisses after death,
And sweet as those by hopeless fancy feigned
On lips that are for others; deep as love,
Deep as first love, and wild with all regret;
O Death in Life, the days that are no more!

by Lord Tennyson

There's no use in weeping,
Though we are condemned to part:
There's such a thing as keeping
A remembrance in one's heart:
...........by Charlotte Bronte


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post Mar 13 2006, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(shivani @ Mar 13 2006, 04:42 PM) *
He lives life to the fullest but never touches its core.

What exactly makes you say so ?


I can understand making Ur bed and not being able to sleep on it as it is lumpy or has bed bugs, so making it again and again till U are comfortable and find rest. I can also understand never finding that true love that we all seek and hence always searching. But if someone else's true and devoted love given to U, is just a game, just amusement, if U can hurt people and not care, if Ur abandoned laughter is worth more than someone's deepest pain, U cannot begin to understand life, I feel. I would not call a human being as portrayed in this poem a human being.


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People have been given fingers so they can point them. What does one care about what anyone else says. and Why ?

PS : I am just trying to understand please do not think I am questioning anything you said.


Shivani, when one is alone one cares. If U go back to a home where there is someone to wipe Ur tears or laugh with U at the end of the day, U can snap Ur fingers at the world. But if U live alone surrounded by peole who do not understand U and show their scorn it hurts. I particularly hate the low creatures on the road who think it is their right to pass comments on any woman on the road. And I do not understand why people are so curious about others' lives. U do not care if the person is alive or dead, yet U must know the intimate details of their life? I will never understand that.

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post Mar 13 2006, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(dimps @ Mar 13 2006, 04:48 PM) *


Very true Priya...I AM VERY OFTEN
considered A FREAK.... laugh.gif
more on this at an approriate place and time...
and NO..I do not have the talent to
write verses of my own - I only read and
absorb ?

I love wub.gif poetry - both in English and my mother
tongue TAMIL - have kept so many diaries and books
to them - which has been travelling with me to
all the houses that I have changed so far, from city
to city...


I love poetry too, but never seek it like I seek out novels to read and enjoy. But when something comes to notice, like this thread, I read avidly.
Tamil is my mother tongue too but I do not know a word. sad1.gif The Indian language I know best is Hindi but cannot understand poetry too well.
I don't have the patience to write down the lines I like in diaries!!!! ohmy.gif
Ur quite a remarkable person!!!!

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Priya.. a sort of reply to your last post...

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Tears, Idle Tears

Tears, idle tears, I know not what they mean,
Tears from the depth of some divine despair
Rise in the heart, and gather to the eyes,
In looking on the happy Autumn-fields,
And thinking of the days that are no more.

Fresh as the first beam glittering on a sail,
That brings our friends up from the underworld,
Sad as the last which reddens over one
That sinks with all we love below the verge;
So sad, so fresh, the days that are no more.

Ah, sad and strange as in dark summer dawns
The earliest pipe of half-awakened birds
To dying ears, when unto dying eyes
The casement slowly grows a glimmering square;
So sad, so strange, the days that are no more.

Dear as remembered kisses after death,
And sweet as those by hopeless fancy feigned
On lips that are for others; deep as love,
Deep as first love, and wild with all regret;
O Death in Life, the days that are no more!

by Lord Tennyson


WOW!!!! U have a poem for every thought and every occasion!!! bow.gif
That last line is awesome. clap1.gif

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post Mar 13 2006, 05:12 PM
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Feminist Spite



We’re gay deceivers

He and I

We both seem taller

Than we are

He has his ego

Six feet tall

I have my little

High-heeled shoe.

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post Mar 13 2006, 05:15 PM
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I can understand making Ur bed and not being able to sleep on it as it is lumpy or has bed bugs, so making it again and again till U are comfortable and find rest. I can also understand never finding that true love that we all seek and hence always searching. But if someone else's true and devoted love given to U, is just a game, just amusement, if U can hurt people and not care, if Ur abandoned laughter is worth more than someone's deepest pain, U cannot begin to understand life, I feel. I would not call a human being as portrayed in this poem a human being.


Well If I may ask, was the motive/nature/intent of such a person known beforehand ?
The person who devoted herself, was se aware of the said person's intent ?If yes, did she do it in expectation that other person would reciprocate in a similar manner? And somehow the love and devotion would change the other person? Or did she come to know at a later stage when there was no way out ? IS she tryign to fulfil one of her need, to love someone completely and act as a devotee .. or is it asked and she is made to behave in such a manner?
And why should one expect someone else to be interested in one's pain? Human beings are different, and mostly care about their own welfare. IF one sees that other person is not able to reciprocate in similar manner, why keep hurting yourself ?

PS :I might sound heartless to you Priya, but am just trying to look at it clinically.. as everythign else. Please let me know if you think it is offending in any manner and I would step back : ).

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post Mar 13 2006, 05:28 PM
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This is why I said I am a freak. I just don't think that way. I hardly find anything motivating in living life for myself. True, I want to be happy, but not by walking over someone else or using someone.

This is the way I look at love and life.
Enter a relationship only if U love the person.
Enter a friendship only if U genuinely like the person.
Of course we want the best for ourselves but not that we use others for that end.
Live and let live.

My dear gal, U mean when people fall in love, they analyse all this in advance. U just rush ahead on a wave of emotion, if U are lucky, the wave is light and buoyant and U float, if Ur unlucky U are dashed against the rocks.

And loving deeply does not mean being a devotee!!! ohmy.gif

BTW ZZZ clinical in my book is inhuman. look.gif
No Ur not offensive but why do U love playing the heartless creep? mad.gif When U are such a darling actually. Woman in Black!!!!! fight.gif

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post Mar 13 2006, 05:46 PM
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This is why I said I am a freak. I just don't think that way. I hardly find anything motivating in living life for myself. True, I want to be happy, but not by walking over someone else or using someone


Well, stop calling yourself a freak. Most of the women on earth seem to think that they dont live for themselves. That their lie is to serve someone else, dote around and love. I see it as a deep need to be useful which springs out from the insecurity. They must be able to offer themselves fully, and create a sort of dependence so that other person tkaes care of themselves. I think our society is responsible for cultivating such feelings.
Everyone uses others Priya, in one way or other. And they use others for their pleasure only. IF one makes someone else's life comfortable.. it is because inturn it makes them feel happy.
I understand that hurting others for pleasure is not fair and caring for them is considered good. But I completely disagree that we live for anyone but ourselves.

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This is the way I look at love and life.
Enter a relationship only if U love the person.
Enter a friendship only if U genuinely like the person.
Of course we want the best for ourselves but not that we use others for that end.
Live and let live.


You say Enter a relationship only if you love the person. And I understand this love is not "love at first sight" but rather one that develops by togetherness and mutual adoration. For that one does know what kind of person the other fellow is. In that case, one has some idea of what lies ahead, but if they wish to ignore it, and complain later.. I do not find it fair.
Also possible that such traits were never evident before, because of the limited interaction or the other person hid it on purpose. So When one becomes aware , then the onus is with them to take the next step and act in a manner most suitable to themselves. IF they love him/her a lot and are ready to overlook.. fair enough.. else muster up the strength to break free. If you have strength to go through undesirable behaviour.. you can do the other as well.

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My dear gal, U mean when people fall in love, they analyse all this in advance. U just rush ahead on a wave of emotion, if U are lucky, the wave is light and buoyant and U float, if Ur unlucky U are dashed against the rocks.

Maybe I am a freak.
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Emotions are fine.. and I can understand them. But somehow I cannot help being analytical. Maybe am too cautious and can never know the kind of love you do.
And btw, I cannot for most part attribute what happens to me to luck. It is my actions I believe in, they keep me busy today and define my future.

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And loving deeply does not mean being a devotee!!!


The kind of love you talk .. giving oneslef completely .. seems devotion to me.

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BTW ZZZ clinical in my book is inhuman.

: ) That is the only sane way I know.
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post Mar 13 2006, 05:48 PM
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post Mar 13 2006, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(shivani @ Mar 13 2006, 05:46 PM) *
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This is why I said I am a freak. I just don't think that way. I hardly find anything motivating in living life for myself. True, I want to be happy, but not by walking over someone else or using someone


Well, stop calling yourself a freak. Most of the women on earth seem to think that they dont live for themselves. That their lie is to serve someone else, dote around and love. I see it as a deep need to be useful which springs out from the insecurity. They must be able to offer themselves fully, and create a sort of dependence so that other person tkaes care of themselves. I think our society is responsible for cultivating such feelings.
Everyone uses others Priya, in one way or other. And they use others for their pleasure only. IF one makes someone else's life comfortable.. it is because inturn it makes them feel happy.
I understand that hurting others for pleasure is not fair and caring for them is considered good. But I completely disagree that we live for anyone but ourselves.

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This is the way I look at love and life.
Enter a relationship only if U love the person.
Enter a friendship only if U genuinely like the person.
Of course we want the best for ourselves but not that we use others for that end.
Live and let live.


You say Enter a relationship only if you love the person. And I understand this love is not "love at first sight" but rather one that develops by togetherness and mutual adoration. For that one does know what kind of person the other fellow is. In that case, one has some idea of what lies ahead, but if they wish to ignore it, and complain later.. I do not find it fair.
Also possible that such traits were never evident before, because of the limited interaction or the other person hid it on purpose. So When one becomes aware , then the onus is with them to take the next step and act in a manner most suitable to themselves. IF they love him/her a lot and are ready to overlook.. fair enough.. else muster up the strength to break free. If you have strength to go through undesirable behaviour.. you can do the other as well.

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My dear gal, U mean when people fall in love, they analyse all this in advance. U just rush ahead on a wave of emotion, if U are lucky, the wave is light and buoyant and U float, if Ur unlucky U are dashed against the rocks.

Maybe I am a freak.
sigh.gif
Emotions are fine.. and I can understand them. But somehow I cannot help being analytical. Maybe am too cautious and can never know the kind of love you do.
And btw, I cannot for most part attribute what happens to me to luck. It is my actions I believe in, they keep me busy today and define my future.

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And loving deeply does not mean being a devotee!!!


The kind of love you talk .. giving oneslef completely .. seems devotion to me.

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BTW ZZZ clinical in my book is inhuman.

: ) That is the only sane way I know.


I am not good at defining, analysing or defending my ppoint of view.. Can only say what I feel. sad1.gif

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post Mar 13 2006, 06:01 PM
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I am not good at defining, analysing or defending my ppoint of view.. Can only say what I feel. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad1.gif)


Let us take it to our pms and try to understand each other..
I am not able to feel and you are not able to think biggrin.gif
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post Mar 13 2006, 06:06 PM
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Who said I cannot think? fight.gif

Aur teesra yaar kaun hai? ohmy.gif

BTW when I talk abt love making one do thinks I can give an eg.
Say I have to fill an application form and stand in a long queue and then run to an office and get photocopies and all that kinda dreary dull maddening stuff. If it is for someone I care abt it is a breeze and I feel motivated. If it is for me, i postpone till the deadline and hate it all. That kinda stuff.

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Aur teesra yaar kaun hai?


: ) Main aap aur confusion .. aur kaun.

And I do understand when You say that love makes the world go around.
But again, because you love the other person, doing stuff for them makes you feel good. it makes YOU feel good, other person might not attach so much importance to it. It might be fine with them if you would do it on last date, or just tell them you cannot. They might find another way. So it is your own happinessnot anyone else's.

Another.. you do not like it doing for yourself as you do not love yourself Why do you not love yourself? Because you have hazaar issues and shortcomings. You find it in your heart to accept and love the other person, who might be worse by your standards, but not your own self?
Double standards ? Your ego working there? You cant make mistakes?
why?? why cant you love yourself as you are.. and then maybe work to get better or wherever you wish to be?
What stops us from that???
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Take my hand and lead the way;
tell me all you want to say.
Whisper softly in my ear,
all those things I want to hear.
Pull me close and hold me near;
take away my pain and fear.
In the darkness of the night,
be my beacon, shine your light.
In the brightness of the sun,
show me that you are the one.
Give me wings so I can fly;
for I can soar when you're nearby.
Enter my heart, break down the wall,
it's time for me to watch it fall.
I've been a prisoner, can't you see?
Break my chains and set me free.
Release my soul held deep within . . .
I'm ready now, let love begin.

"The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it."
"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman, but believing what he read made him mad. "
"You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. "
George Bernard Shaw
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Good one Catch : )

PS: sigh!

I am outnumbered here.. amongst all these lovers.. should keep away I guess.

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post Mar 13 2006, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(shivani @ Mar 13 2006, 06:23 PM) *
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Aur teesra yaar kaun hai?


: ) Main aap aur confusion .. aur kaun.

And I do understand when You say that love makes the world go around.
But again, because you love the other person, doing stuff for them makes you feel good. it makes YOU feel good, other person might not attach so much importance to it. It might be fine with them if you would do it on last date, or just tell them you cannot. They might find another way. So it is your own happinessnot anyone else's.

Another.. you do not like it doing for yourself as you do not love yourself Why do you not love yourself? Because you have hazaar issues and shortcomings. You find it in your heart to accept and love the other person, who might be worse by your standards, but not your own self?
Double standards ? Your ego working there? You cant make mistakes?
why?? why cant you love yourself as you are.. and then maybe work to get better or wherever you wish to be?
What stops us from that???


Ego? No. But yes I do not inspire myself. Can U look at the mirror and feel Ur heart melt the way U do when U look at someone U love? blink.gif
But yes, I do come down very heavily on myself if I make mistakes, to such an extent that I have now given up on myself. sad1.gif

BTW has someone told U, U have a twisted way of thinking? biggrin.gif

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