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Posted by: bibhas Aug 25 2005, 10:38 PM

I would like to dust the cobwebs and try to remember what little I learnt in school. Is anyone willing to teach Sanskrit here ? Hits, Mandrake, anyone else ?

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 25 2005, 10:40 PM

Hi I have collected lots of material on self teaching... I would love to have a real GURU to teach me as guru bin gyan kahan se paau ... I mean in term of pronounciation, some difficult word translation, etc. etc.. It helps to learn from someone...

BTW , let me know I can share those files , links , etc if you wanna have a look at it...

Posted by: bibhas Aug 25 2005, 11:09 PM

Neki aur pooch pooch BJ ? Please send them my way.

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 25 2005, 11:15 PM

Posted by: bibhas Aug 25 2005, 11:25 PM

Thanks BJ. Can you send me the link as well ?

I have an 800 pg Sanskrit dictionary as a pdf file. Let me know if you're interested.

Posted by: Talaikya Aug 25 2005, 11:29 PM

I know no sanskrit - can I learn too??

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 25 2005, 11:30 PM

Link tau mujhe yaad nahi yaar... bahoot pehle archive kar liya tha... meri adaat hain jo achha lagta hain ...seedha dil mein... i mean harddisk mein uttar deta hoon .... But most of my files names are relevant to link names... do a google using the file name... see you might end up getting the link in result if its not already out of business ...

Yes do please send me the dictionary....

Posted by: Lata Aug 25 2005, 11:30 PM

me too...Nimii knows sanskrit na

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 25 2005, 11:32 PM

For anything new.... whatever it maybe..... requires lots of dedication and patience... which I dont see nowadays...... they lose interest in it after a day or two... anyways coming to the topic...... anyone can learn anything....

Posted by: bibhas Aug 25 2005, 11:37 PM

Here's the dictionary, quite a good one I might add.


Attached File(s)
 Sanskrit_Dictionary.pdf ( 883.56 k ) Number of hits: 33 by members

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 25 2005, 11:37 PM

Found it... http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/sanskrit/tutor.html

Also I have bought few books from Natraj... the guy is slow but almost delivers what you have ordered... I even met him personally during India Heritage.... Here is the link for that ---> https://www.natarajbooks.com/main.aspx

We have talked about this site earlier in Sholkas thread.. just in case if u have missed it... http://sanskrit.gde.to/learning_tools/learning_tools.html

Posted by: shivani Aug 25 2005, 11:38 PM

BJ a request.. Instead of "raring" the files.. can you please zip them??

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 25 2005, 11:42 PM

Jo Hukum mere Akka ....

Posted by: shivani Aug 25 2005, 11:47 PM

rabba!!
aaj itti saari meherbani kaise
what do I owe this favour to !!!

Posted by: Lata Aug 25 2005, 11:56 PM

Shivani....BJ tujhe akka bula raha hai....akka= elder sister in Tamil

Posted by: shivani Aug 26 2005, 12:01 AM

wo to theek lata.. still
I expect a good fight frm him !!!
am slipping into a state of deep shock

Posted by: Lata Aug 26 2005, 12:04 AM

u r right....tum donon ka Tom and Jerry show dekhne ko ahchha lagta hai .....BJ......itti jaldi haar maan gaya tu

Posted by: shivani Aug 26 2005, 12:10 AM

heh.. chalo maan gaya to good
(seems his wife/gf was happy with him today.. so he is nice to rest of the world )
mera to kaam ban gaya na

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 26 2005, 12:15 AM

Arent you busy today ........

Haar ???? Tum tau chup hi raho ..... My mood is not good right now ......

Karte rahe hum faza se sauda bahar ka.....
Badla diya tau yeh kya diya....... mere pyar kaa ......
Sabkuch luta ke hosh mein aaye tau kya kiya......

Posted by: shivani Aug 26 2005, 12:17 AM

now thats more like the BJ I know *grinz*
u r such a sweetheart .. u know :-)

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 26 2005, 12:18 AM

Mujhe kyu selfishness ki boooooo aa rahi hai... koi tumse achha tau tum sabse achhe.... warna duniya gayi teil lene... lagta hain mein bhi jaldi hi seekh jaunga to read between the lines .....

Posted by: Talaikya Aug 26 2005, 12:19 AM

Yo nautank!!! Sanskrit mein bhi shuru ho gaye???!!!

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 26 2005, 12:24 AM

Ya your server really seems like messed up... doing all the typos here....

u r such a sweetheart .. u know :-)
Should have been --> u r such a TIMEPASS .. u know :-)

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 26 2005, 12:25 AM

Dekhnaa leke jaa sabko SMNS mei..... mujhe chain se padhne leekhne bhi nahi dete ....

Posted by: shivani Aug 26 2005, 12:26 AM

dont read too much between the lines and words!! I address even the cockroaches and lizards in my house as sweetheart and honey!!

Posted by: hits Aug 26 2005, 12:32 AM

Folks,

There's good news here. If there is one language which can be learnt by oneself, it is Sanskrit. This is partially so, because we usually don't have any other option. Bulk of the credit goes, of course, to Paanini for the sharpness and logic with which he created the rules of Sanskrit grammer.

Here's my humble advice for beginners and for folks who cannot carry on a basic spoken conversation yet -

1) Pick up any beginners book on Paanini's grammer, and start going through the usages.

2) Pick up the CBSE text books from Stds 8 and 9, if (and when) you have access to them. Start working through the shlokas first.

Thanks
Hits

Posted by: Bawra Jay Aug 26 2005, 12:36 AM

This are available on the website I mentioned earlier.... Natraj books....

Posted by: gkshyam Aug 26 2005, 02:31 AM

Ok.....me too making my customary appearance.........here.... I had learnt Sanskrit in school for three years......then, forgot most of it.....Would enjoy brushing up.......Loved the subject......Damn scoring ... Hope to start off on a good note here....

Posted by: visuja Aug 26 2005, 10:41 AM

wow.. a thread on my fav language !!
Thanks Bibhas for starting off such a wonderful thread. I honestly and sincerely believe almost all Indian languages can be learnt if one has even a basic rudimentary grasp on Sanskrit (and of course patience and 'driving force' to learn that particular language ).
I'm no expert on Sanskrit and whatever Sanskrit I understand is based on the Subhashitmaalas in school and understanding the meaning of the various Shlokas I know by-heart.
I still dont see our linguist here .. Mandrake ? (Wont be surprised if he's spent sometime learning Sanskrit too !)
I think hits shd be the teacher here.. for acc to me, you have a pretty good understanding of the language ..... er.. care to lead us here too ?

hE gurO !! kutra tvam ?? aham tava darshanam -kosam betaab-aa aahe aaaarghhh...all khichdis in my head

After some brushing up : aham tava darshanAya vyAkulam asmi

Posted by: gkshyam Aug 26 2005, 11:42 AM

Vivekaah...!!!!!!

Posted by: hits Aug 28 2005, 04:39 AM

Lesson 1 - That would be an address to multiple Viveks!

Posted by: visuja Aug 28 2005, 07:35 AM

Hits ! Trust you to see the obvious! Even shyam wouldnt have realised he was typing Sanskrit !!

Yahaan to sirf do Vivek hain HF par...teesra kaun ??

Ok.. proceeding by trial and error, let me make a few blunders and the gurus here can correct me:

atra Bhavatah biBhAsah pashyAmi. sah kimapi 'post' (=sUchih ?) na karishyati iti kA ?

Let me also translate what i tried to write: (kya pata..galti se theek likh diya ho ) --- I see bibhas Sir here. He doesnt post anything. Why so?

Posted by: Mandrake Aug 28 2005, 09:46 AM

VISUJA. Tumne toh mera patta directly kataa diya

(M wanders through the gali-koochas, in tatters, singing 'kuchh log yahaan per aise hain..'
sometimes he changes the song and also sings 'matlab nikal gaya hai oh pehchaantey nahi..')

Posted by: visuja Aug 28 2005, 08:19 PM

Mandrake. Mujhe kya pata tumhein sanskrit mein bhi dilchaspi hai (though did give u some credit !! I did expect u that u'd have taken a formal training in this one too !!)
chalo.seems hits is busy with something...why dont u fill in for him ?

Posted by: Mandrake Aug 28 2005, 08:40 PM

Fill in???
Fill in?????
Kyon? Mujhmein zara-si bhi originality nahi hai kya?

(M changes record/cassette/CD : 'ye kya kiya re duniyawale, jahaan ke ghum...' Mukesh-mode shuru hota hai)

Posted by: visuja Sep 4 2005, 01:08 PM

kEnapi EtAni pOsTAni pashyanti ??

Me gonna have a field day obliterating all rules of Sanskrit grammar with no one to correct me ! .....

on second thoughts... ...

mAta mitram pita chEti svabhAvAt trtayam hitam
kAryakAraNataschAnyE bhavanti hitabuddhayah

mAtA = mother
mitram = friend
pita = father
chEti -- cha + iti
cha = and
iti = thus
svabhAvAt = by behaviour / nature
trtayam = trio
hitam = for benifit

By nature, the trio of mother, friends and father (worry about your) welfare.

kAryakAraNataschAnyE --- kArya-kAraNatah + cha + anyE
kArya-kAraNatah = (own) work (and) reason / personal benefits
anyE = others
bhavanti = become
hitabuddhayah = make-believe / feign (your) welfare (any sandhi here ? )

For their own personal needs, others feign being your well-wishers

Me making any sense .. O Panini's at HF ??

Posted by: Mandrake Sep 4 2005, 01:32 PM

O Krishna, what did you say in the Geeta?

krodhadbhavati sammoha...buddhinaasha....

(M logs onto the net, and books a flight to the Himalayas....)

Posted by: Mandrake Sep 4 2005, 01:44 PM

Suddenly M pauses.... what if Visuja cannot understand?
He quickly turns, strides to the computer, and deftly taps the keyboard:

krodhAdbhavati saMmohaH saMmohAtsmRtivibhramaH
smRtibhraMshAdbuddhinAsho buddhinAshAtpraNashyati

Then, whistling 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly', he sauters to the door...

Posted by: visuja Sep 4 2005, 01:50 PM

M !! It is indeed one of my fav passages in the Geeta (and one of verrrrrry few that I manage to understand )

dhyAyato vishhayAn pumsah, sangastEshhUpajAyatE
sangAt sanjAyatE kAmah, kAmAt krOdhObhijAyatE
krOdhAdbhavati sammOhah sammOhAt smRtivibhramaH
smRtibhramshAd buddhinAshah buddhinAshAt praNashyati

Generally spot my own behaviour at the anger / sorrow stage and try to analyse what is it that I'm attached to ... budhhinaash tak pahuncha nahin hoon... ..shaayad..

Posted by: Mandrake Sep 4 2005, 01:57 PM

Arey agyaan baalak, buddhinaash tera nahi mera ho raha hai... :hair-pull:

(A quick FF on the player, and the air is filled with the soulful Mukesh:
zinda hoon is tarah ke ghum-e-zindagi nahi
jalta hua chiraag hoon par roshni nahi...)

V instantly peeks in from behind the door!! His glance darts around, trying to find who this Roshni babe is...

Posted by: visuja Sep 4 2005, 02:08 PM

Although translations would be widely available, lemme try and give meanings for individual words:

dhyAyato --- dhyAyatah = (he/she) concentrates
vishhayAn - has a deeper meaning ... I think it means 'wordly objects'
pumsah - person
sangastEshhUpajAyatE --- sangah + tEshhu + upajAyatE
sangah = association
teshhu = among / with them
upajAyatE - arises / starts
(when) a person concentrates on 'wordly objects', he starts associating with them

sangAt = from association
sanjAyatE = arises / springs forth
kAmah = desire
kAmAt = from desire
krOdhObhijAyatE --- krOdhah + abhijAyatE
krOdhah = anger (also means sorrw here, I suppose )
abhijAyatE = arises
From association, springs forth desire (and) from desire arises anger

krOdhAt = from anger
bhavati = exists (from)
sammOhah = delusion
sammOhAt = from delusion
smRtivibhramah = forgetfullness (forgetting whats right and wrong)
Delusion exists (due to) anger (and) from delusion (arises) forgetfulness

smRtibhramshAt = from forgetfullness
budhhinAshah = total loss (of) intellect / wisdom
buddhinAshAt = from loss (of) wisdom
praNashyati = utter destruction
Forgetfullnes leads to loss of wisdom (and) loss of wisdom spells utter destruction

*Vivek enjoys the free rein thats being given to him at this thread *
poor bibhas .. u started the thread na ?

Posted by: bibhas Sep 6 2005, 09:36 PM

Vivek,
Enjoy it. I am enjoying reading all the translations (Dhanyosmi Vivekah) too. Though I knew the general meaning of the shlokas, it helps to see the sandhis broken down and roots displayed. Bhautika shAstrAdhyayanam karishyAmi, Me on a short break to learn physics before I tackle Sankrit.
Bibhas

Posted by: visuja Sep 20 2005, 08:43 AM

Bibhas, your impromptu sanskrit is quite excellent ! Mujhe 5 min sochna padta hai to come up with a short sentence, that too after referring to google and a dictionary!

kutra sarvE janAh?
atra kopi (kah + api) na pashhyAmi !

Posted by: bibhas Sep 20 2005, 08:18 PM

vivekah, mama samskrutamapi bahu durbalam. atah EtAni shubhavachanAni svIkAranEchhAmi.



sarvE prAyah vibhinna vAda-vivAde vilInAh santi.

Posted by: shivani Sep 20 2005, 11:51 PM

Vivek (multiple from an earlier lesson) meri sanskrit bahut kamzor hai. isliye itni prashansa swikar nahi kar sakta .

sab log alag alag vaad vivaad ( threads) main vilagn hain ??


How did I fair

Posted by: bibhas Sep 21 2005, 12:43 AM

tvam mama atyuttama chhAtrA shivanI.
Just one possible mistake:

Vivekah is the same as Vivek- just one Vivek.
Vivekaah is multiple Viveks.
Correct line would be Vivek meri sanskrit bhi (samskrutamapi) bahut kamzor hai. isliye itni prashansa swikar nahi kar sakta


sab log shaayad(prAyah) alag alag vaad vivaad mein vilagn hain.

Posted by: shivani Sep 21 2005, 12:46 AM

and my candy fr doign it right

This will be a good idea.. trying to translate all you guys talk here ... fr me to pick up a bit of samskrit atleast

Posted by: bibhas Sep 21 2005, 01:07 AM

Posted by: shivani Sep 21 2005, 01:11 AM

err... make that a fruit instead.. i dont like chocolates

tum mama (??) ati uttan chaatra ho

nah.. just that my teachers are good

Posted by: bibhas Sep 21 2005, 01:21 AM

merii


tvamapi pravINA shivAnI

Posted by: visuja Sep 21 2005, 12:53 PM

Shivani ..PravINA kab se ban gayi !??

waise "PravINA" asya shabdasya arTham kim ? aham agnyAt mUDhah !

bibhas : yr sanskrit is really better than mine sample this !!

I could never come up with the red words impromptu ! And excellent sandhis too !
In many cases, it is easy to construct the Sanskrit words if one knows pure Hindi and a pure regional language ..... lekin woh purity mein-iich to saara locha hai !

Posted by: Nimii Sep 21 2005, 01:55 PM

Ayyo deva!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bibhas ji alone is conversing in Sanskrit here!!!!!!!!

N *headbang*

Posted by: shivani Sep 21 2005, 02:14 PM

tum pravin ho
dhanyawad vidyanidhi



Pravina shabd ka arth kya hai

asya==??
Pravina = Pravin ka striling.. Pravin= knowing something well/ smart

Posted by: bibhas Sep 21 2005, 09:05 PM

pravIN= nipun, capable and everything else shivani wrote.
pravINA= pravIN ka striling

tvamapi pravINA shivAnI = tum bhi pravIN ho shivAnI (tvamapi = tvam+api = tum + bhi)

Posted by: shivani Sep 21 2005, 09:09 PM

err.. Bibhas.. May I please request you to say atleast one sentence in Sanskrit.. so that I can try to translate.. with each thread : )

Posted by: bibhas Sep 21 2005, 09:24 PM

dhanyavAdAh vivekah, kintu etat tava vishAla hrudayam vadati. satyam vadAmi, mama samskrutam bahu durbalam. shanai shanai samskrutAdhyayanam karishyAmi. tvam kim kAraNEna nirAshah bhavati. tvamapi praVInah kila. tava pravINatvE vishwAsmapi nAsti va. prayatnam kuru vivekah.
VibhAsah

p.s. I'm making up stuff as I go along here, will the more knowledgeable ones show up and correct my rudimentary sentence construction please ?

Posted by: shivani Sep 21 2005, 09:40 PM

dhanyavad vivek, kintu aapka hridya vishaal hai . satya to ye hai ki meri sanskrit bahut kamzor hai. thodi thodi snaskrit karishyami ==?? . tum kisliye nirashajanak baatein kar rahe ho tum swayam behad kushal ho . (didnt understand that one sentence ). prayatna karte raho bas.

Posted by: bibhas Sep 21 2005, 09:58 PM

shivAnI, tava prayatnArtham anekAbhinandanAni svIkuru.

Your translation was close. Here's what I meant to write (might have made errors in my sankrit):
dhanyavAdAh vivekah, kintu etat tava vishAla hrudayam vadati. = dhanyavad vivek, kintu yeh aapka vishaal hriday bol raha hai .

satyam vadAmi, mama samskrutam bahu durbalam. = sach keh raha hoon, meri sanskrit bahut kamzor hai.

shanai shanai samskrutAdhyayanam karishyAmi. = dheere dheere sanskrit ki padhaai kar raha hoon.

tvam kim kAraNEna nirAshah bhavati. = tum kis wajah se niraash ho rahe ho ?

tvamapi praVInah kila = tum bhi to qaabil ho na ?

tava pravINatvE vishwAsmapi nAsti va. = kya tumhe apni qaabiliyat par vishwas bhi nahiin hai ?

prayatnam kuru vivekah = koshish karo vivek.

Posted by: shivani Sep 21 2005, 10:16 PM

errr.... lemme try this one...

Shivani tumhara anuvad ka prayatn anek abhinandan svikar karo ( did nto get the last word)

Posted by: bibhas Sep 21 2005, 10:55 PM

Shivani tumhare prayatn ke liye (prayatnArtham) anek abhinandan svikar karo

Posted by: ketadxb Sep 21 2005, 11:28 PM

Priya bawarjay saab,
Dhanyawad shtshaa dhanyawad
I have also a bit in school and always wanted to learn more hope i can get on with it

Thanks again
Keshav

Posted by: visuja Sep 30 2005, 07:47 AM

kim likhAmi kim likhAmiiti chintanam karOmi. kintu kOpi vArtA kimapi vAkyam mama chintanE nAgachhati adhuna kim karishhyAmi ?

Pls correct my grammar, someone........