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Posted by: abhayp Nov 30 2008, 04:11 PM
In the Sangeet ke Sitarey forum, Faraaj has started a thread about film songs inspired by earlier songs. In many cases, the inspiration for a song is a classical/semi-classical bandish. This thread is meant for the longer classical and semi-classical pieces; I am starting it here so that classical music fans can also access these pieces easily.
The first piece being uploaded here is a "kajri" that inspired the famous Lata song from "Udan Khatola" - "more sai.nyaa.Njii utare.nge paar ho nadiyaa dhiire baho". It has been sung by many singers; the version being uploaded here is by the great Padmavati Shaligram (Gokhale) of the Jaipur Atrauli gharana. It is taken from a recording of a live concert where she also sang a wonderful Nand. The kajri is 18:16 minutes long and is encoded in mp3 at 128 kbps.
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The post talking about the film song can be found at
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&pid=552863&st=15&#
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Faraaj73 Nov 30 2008, 05:42 PM
Posted by: abhayp Dec 7 2008, 07:56 PM
The thread continues with a Miyan Ki Malhar drut bandish, "bole re papiiharaa". The version uploaded here is by Gangubai Hangal and her daughter Krishna Hangal.
The film song can be accessed at http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=30&gopid=554675&# (post # 45).
Raaga Miyan Ki Malhar
Bandish: bole re papiiharaa
Duration: 6:06 minutes
Encoding: mp3 @ 160 kbps
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Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: abhayp Dec 7 2008, 09:21 PM
Next, we come to the famous thumri, "kaun galii gayo shyaam". Details and upload of its two film versions can be found in post # 46 at this link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=45&gopid=554686&#
The recital being posted here is a live recording of Rasoolan Bai. As I said in the other thread, my (completely) untutored ears feel that there is a strong Jogiya element in her rendition of what is traditionally sung as a Khamaj thumri. Expert views are more than welcome!
The recording is 9:42 minutes long; the encoding is in mp3 @ 160 kbps.
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(A short extract of this is included along with the film songs at the above link.)
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Faraaj73 Dec 8 2008, 01:48 PM
Abhayp
Really enjoying your uploads! The snippets on the SKS forum are useful too but I obviously prefer hearing the complete piece.
Kind Regards
Faraaj
Posted by: Faraaj73 Dec 8 2008, 01:54 PM
Rasoolan Bai is phenomenal! I definitely need more stuff by her...
Posted by: abhayp Dec 8 2008, 03:07 PM
Two marvellous renditions of the canonical Nat Bihag bandish, "jhan jhan jhan jhan paayal baaje", are being uploaded here. The details about the songs inspired by this bandish - and uploads of the inspired songs - can be accessed in post #49 at the following link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&pid=554831&st=45&#
The first classical version is a short rendition by 'aaftaab-e-mausiiqii' Faiyaz Khan of the Agra gharana. A 78 rpm recording that has been released subsequently on LP and CD, this rendition is a great illustration of how the essence of a raaga can be demonstrated in just over 3 minutes - 3:01 minutes, to be precise. The version being uploaded here has been encoded in mp3 @ 188 kbps (VBR).
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A longer rendition (10:40 minutes) comes from Mallikarjun Mansur - and shows clearly why he is regarded as one of the best singers in the Hindustani tradition. Mansur has recorded this bandish both in drut laya (the version uploaded here) and in madhya-laya (a 21-minute rendition). The former recording is uploaded below, encoded in mp3 @ 128 kbps.
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Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: abhayp Dec 8 2008, 03:09 PM
Rasoolan Bai is phenomenal! I definitely need more stuff by her...
I shall upload more pieces by her but it will take a few days - I am going to have very limited connectivity for from the 10th till the 22nd. Am very happy to find a fellow-fan of Rasoolan Bai!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Kaansen Dec 9 2008, 10:40 PM
Abhayji,
This is indeed a fabulous thread and the postings so far have been really terrific.
I just had a humble request. If it were possible for you to post the Rasoolanbai pieces in a lossless format such as flac, that will be greatly appreciated. Of course, hamaraforums will not permit it but I am sure you will find many decent services that you can use. Especially if you are posting pieces that are not commercially available.
Cheers,
Kaansen
Two marvellous renditions of the canonical Nat Bihag bandish, "jhan jhan jhan jhan paayal baaje", are being uploaded here. The details about the songs inspired by this bandish - and uploads of the inspired songs - can be accessed in post #49 at the following link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&pid=554831&st=45&#
The first classical version is a short rendition by 'aaftaab-e-mausiiqii' Faiyaz Khan of the Agra gharana. A 78 rpm recording that has been released subsequently on LP and CD, this rendition is a great illustration of how the essence of a raaga can be demonstrated in just over 3 minutes - 3:01 minutes, to be precise. The version being uploaded here has been encoded in mp3 @ 188 kbps (VBR).
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A longer rendition (10:40 minutes) comes from Mallikarjun Mansur - and shows clearly why he is regarded as one of the best singers in the Hindustani tradition. Mansur has recorded this bandish both in drut laya (the version uploaded here) and in madhya-laya (a 21-minute rendition). The former recording is uploaded below, encoded in mp3 @ 128 kbps.
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Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: bibhas Dec 12 2008, 02:54 AM
Fantastic pair of threads Abhay and Faraaj!
Posted by: abhayp Dec 29 2008, 02:43 PM
Next in this thread is the Malkauns bandish, "mandir dekh Dare". The canonical rendition of this by Bade Ghulam Ali Khan, and the Rafi rendition inspired by it, can be found in post # 59 on this link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=45&gopid=560374&#
A longer rendition by Kankana Bannerjee, released in the mid-1990s on a Rhythm House release, is being uploaded here (9:29 min, mp3 @ 160 kbps):
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If anyone has a longer - read concert - rendition of this by BGAK, please do upload it!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: abhayp Dec 30 2008, 06:00 PM
Next is a bandish in Raag Bihag that has inspired film songs on both sides of the Radcliffe Line - "laT ulajhii sulajhaa jaa baalam". There have been many Hindustani vocal renditions of this bandish. The two chosen here are by Jasraj and by Kankana Bannerjee. The Jasraj version comes from the recording of a live concert given at Kolkata in 1989; the Kankana Bannerjee version first appeared on an MHV LP of hers in 1984 and has since been re-released on cassette and CD.
Since Kankana Bannerjee counts among her guru-s Pratap Narayan, elder brother of Jasraj, it is natural that the two renditions have a lot in common; the beauty lies in the fact that they both stamp their individuality on their respective renditions very clearly!
A small snippet of the KB rendition - and the two films songs inspired by it, one sung by Noor Jehan and the other by Geeta Dutt - can be found in post # 60 here:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=45&gopid=560701&#
The complete versions of the classical renditions appear below, both encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps. First, the Jasraj version, which is 9:14 minutes long:
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The Kankana Bannerjee version, which is 4:48 minutes long:
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In their original form, both renditions are followed by another canonical Bihag bandish: "dekho morii ra.ng me.n bhigoye Daarii". The Jasraj recording - and, indeed, the complete concert - is available for listening on MusicIndiaOnline. If anyone is interested in the Kankana Bannerjee version, please let me know and I will post it here.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Kaansen Dec 30 2008, 10:18 PM
Abhayji,
This is turning into a superb thread. I was really not aware of the Rafi rendition.
I am uploading Bade Ghulam Ali's "Mandir Dekh Dare" from the released AIR archives.
It is a zip file, mp3 encoded at 192K and duration is 12:49.
Look forward to many more interesting posts from you on this subject.
Cheers,
Kaansen
Next in this thread is the Malkauns bandish, "mandir dekh Dare". The canonical rendition of this by Bade Ghulam Ali Khan, and the Rafi rendition inspired by it, can be found in post # 59 on this link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=45&gopid=560374&#
A longer rendition by Kankana Bannerjee, released in the mid-1990s on a Rhythm House release, is being uploaded here (9:29 min, mp3 @ 160 kbps):
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If anyone has a longer - read concert - rendition of this by BGAK, please do upload it!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: abhayp Dec 30 2008, 11:01 PM
Abhayji,
This is turning into a superb thread. I was really not aware of the Rafi rendition.
I am uploading Bade Ghulam Ali's "Mandir Dekh Dare" from the released AIR archives.
It is a zip file, mp3 encoded at 192K and duration is 12:49.
Look forward to many more interesting posts from you on this subject.
Thanks a ton for the compliment - and thanks a thousand times for the recording! I didn't know a longer rendition had been released.
Many more songs to come in this thread yet!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Prabhakar Dec 31 2008, 08:17 AM
There is also Anup Jalota version of Mandir Dekh Dare.
I have it on a casette but some reason my software for converting music from casettes to mp3 format has failed repeatedly so I can not share the piece with you. Hope someone else has it and will be kind enough to upload.
Prabhakar
Abhayji,
This is turning into a superb thread. I was really not aware of the Rafi rendition.
I am uploading Bade Ghulam Ali's "Mandir Dekh Dare" from the released AIR archives.
It is a zip file, mp3 encoded at 192K and duration is 12:49.
Look forward to many more interesting posts from you on this subject.
Thanks a ton for the compliment - and thanks a thousand times for the recording! I didn't know a longer rendition had been released.
Many more songs to come in this thread yet!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: abhayp Jan 2 2009, 12:38 PM
Raag Gaud Malhar comes next, with the old but little-heard drut bandish "garajat barasat bhiijat aa_iilo". The rendition of the bandish being uploaded here in by Malini Rajurkar. It is taken from an old cassette release and belongs to the days when Madame Rajurkar's awesome singing had a slightly frantic edge that has, mercifully, mellowed over the years (her recital at the Sawai Gandharva last month was a thoroughly delightful experience!).
The duration is 9:09 minutes and the recording is encoded in mp3 @ 147 kbps (VBR). The recording was sent to me by a friend at my express request - a million thanks to him!
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A 1-minute snippet of this rendition, as also the two spectacular film songs created by Roshan based on this bandish, can be found in post # 64 on the following link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=60&gopid=561286&#
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: abhayp Jan 2 2009, 07:28 PM
The series continues with the famous Bhairavi thumri, "lagat karejawaa me.n choT." A 78 rpm recording by Jaddan Bai (very reminiscent of Rasoolan Bai) and the film adaptation sung by Manna De can be found in post # 65 at
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=60&gopid=561390&#
There are many renditions of this thumri. I am uploading here two that I like a lot, although they are both by khayaaliyaa-s (who typically don't make very good thumri singers!). The first is a 78 rpm recording by Sawai Gandharva (3:17 minutes, mp3 @ 160 kbps):
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The last piece is a longer, leisurely rendition by Sawai Gandharva's 'paTTa-shishya', Bhimsen Joshi. His thumri-s don't always work very well, coming off quite often as modified khayals instead. Two recordings show conclusively that, if he puts his mind to it, he can sing a thumri as well as any semi-classical specialist: this recording (most probably from the late 1980s) and his virtuoso 1951 rendition of "ras ke bhare tore nain", released by Music Today a few years ago. Here, then, is his version of "lagat karejawaa me.n choT" (11:55 minutes, mp3 @ 96 kbps):
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Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Kaansen Jan 2 2009, 08:59 PM
Great choice Abhayji. And very apt comments too.
One of the best threads I have come across.
Cheers,
Kaansen
Posted by: abhayp Jan 2 2009, 09:42 PM
Great choice Abhayji. And very apt comments too.
One of the best threads I have come across.
Cheers,
Kaansen
Thanks, Kaansen! I am enjoying myself thoroughly; I hope those who read these posts and listen to the uploads share that sense of enjoyment.
A request: no 'ji', please!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: sangeetbhakt Jan 2 2009, 11:57 PM
I am a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge fan of Malini Rajurkar's rendition of "Garjat barsat bheejat aailo". I am pretty amused by your characterization of it as having a "frantic edge" 
I actually like that edge for this particular song. I heard her sing live about 10 years back in New Jersey - the first time I ever heard her sing and was completely enthralled by her singing. WHen I found this cassette of hers with this rendition, I was in 7th heaven.
Thanks for uploading an mp3 of it since I have still not gotten round to digitizing that cassette.
And considering all the other comments that have already been floated about the sister threads in SKS and here, I probably do not need to add, but will "Great great threads".
Posted by: abhayp Jan 3 2009, 01:06 AM
I am a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge fan of Malini Rajurkar's rendition of "Garjat barsat bheejat aailo". I am pretty amused by your characterization of it as having a "frantic edge"
I actually like that edge for this particular song. I heard her sing live about 10 years back in New Jersey - the first time I ever heard her sing and was completely enthralled by her singing. WHen I found this cassette of hers with this rendition, I was in 7th heaven.
What wouldn't I give to hear her sing it live!
Re. "frantic edge" - it was a feature that I found somewhat extraneous even though I have always been a big fan of hers. I don't regret the disappearance of that edge over the years, but neither do I let it interfere with my enjoyment of her earlier singing.
Thanks for the compliments!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: RajanCS Jan 3 2009, 03:38 PM
The series continues with the famous Bhairavi thumri, "lagat karejawaa me.n choT." A 78 rpm recording by Jaddan Bai (very reminiscent of Rasoolan Bai) and the film adaptation sung by Manna De can be found in post # 65 at
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=60&gopid=561390&#
There are many renditions of this thumri. I am uploading here two that I like a lot, although they are both by khayaaliyaa-s (who typically don't make very good thumri singers!). The first is a 78 rpm recording by Sawai Gandharva (3:17 minutes, mp3 @ 160 kbps):
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The last piece is a longer, leisurely rendition by Sawai Gandharva's 'paTTa-shishya', Bhimsen Joshi. His thumri-s don't always work very well, coming off quite often as modified khayals instead. Two recordings show conclusively that, if he puts his mind to it, he can sing a thumri as well as any semi-classical specialist: this recording (most probably from the late 1980s) and his virtuoso 1951 rendition of "ras ke bhare tore nain", released by Music Today a few years ago. Here, then, is his version of "lagat karejawaa me.n choT" (11:55 minutes, mp3 @ 96 kbps):
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Warm regards,
Abhay
Excellent upload and comments, Abhay
Regards,
Rajan
Posted by: abhayp Jan 4 2009, 11:42 PM
[When preparing to upload these pieces in Raag Yaman, I noticed that the member 'pradeepjoshi' has already uploaded one rendition of "ai rii aalii piyaa bin" by Kishori Amonkar just a couple of days ago. I am, however, going ahead with these uploads anyway because I have already posted on the companion thread; also, I am travelling for almost a month starting tomorrow and may not have high-speed Net access till I return home.]
Next in line in the traditional and well-known Yaman bandish, "ai rii aalii piyaa bin". Roshan had Lata Mangeskhar sing this bandish in its original form for the film "Raag Rang" in 1952. That song can be found in post # 66 on this link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?showtopic=66339&st=60&gopid=561935&#
I am uploading below three renditions of this bandish. Although is both famous and popular, it is not heard much today primarily because performers don't seem to sing this raag at concerts these days. (Do they perhaps think it is too basic a raag? Misguided souls, if so!)
The renditions here are all by masters. First off, a recording of a live recital by Kishori Amonkar (this is a different recording from the one uploaded by Pradeep). She is in good form here; in the hour-long original recording, she starts with another canonical chiiz in Yaman, "mo man lagan laagii", moves on to this bandish, and then sings a tarana. "ai ri aalii" is sung for 10:18 minutes. The male voice in the background (heard clearly in a taan toward the end) is of her disciple Raghunandan Panshikar. The upload here is in mp3 @ 160 kbps.
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The second upload is a much shorter rendition by Bhimsen Joshi. I am not sure of the provenance of this recording, but I like it a lot and am uploading it despite below-average audio quality. (Please keep this in mind before you decide to download the file!) The 4:25-minute recording is encoded in 160 kbps.
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The last recording is the rarest of the lot: it is by Ganesh Ramchandra Behre (1890-1965), better known as Behre-buwa. A direct disciple of Abdul Karim Khan, Behre-buwa also learnt from three other legends: Bhaskarbuwa Bakhle, Vazebuwa, and Rajab Ali Khan.
There are hardly any recordings of Behre-buwa's in the public domain. This one is taken from an old radio recital. As in the BJ clip above, be warned that the audio quality is not great - although, given the age and the source of the recording (recorded on spool tape off the radio), it is not as bad as I would have expected! The duration of this rendition is 4:33 minutes and it is encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps.
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Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Faraaj73 Jan 12 2009, 03:04 PM
One of Lata's most beautiful (and beautifully sung) filmi songs is Bajubandh Khul Khul Jaye from the film Bazoobandh (1954) based on Raag Bhairavi, that most popular of raags for film music. I have uploaded both this song and a wonderful 3m 32sec Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan rendition of Bajubandh here:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=66339&view=findpost&p=563925
As companion pieces, I upload two other longer renditions. The first is by Ustad Barkat Ali Khan of the Kasur Gharana - who was also Bade Ghulam Ali Khan Saab's brother - running at 8m 36s.
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The second is by the late Ustad Amanat Ali Khan of the Patiala Gharana running at 9m 27s.
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It would be unfair to compare these two renditions with that of the giant Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan - but both are very good. Both are mp3/192 kbps...
Enjoy!
Kind Regards
Faraaj
Posted by: abhayp Jan 12 2009, 04:30 PM
As companion pieces, I upload two other longer renditions. The first is by Ustad Barkat Ali Khan of the Kasur Gharana - who was also Bade Ghulam Ali Khan Saab's brother - running at 8m 36s.
Lovely uploads, Faraaj! I am a big fan of Barkat Ali Khan's - I hadn't heard his rendition of this thumri before. Thanks a ton!
I am uploading another rendition of this beautiful thumri by Sureshbabu Mane, son and disciple of Abdul Karim Khan and elder brother of Hirabai Barodekar. Sureshbabu was a wonderful singer who died tragically early. This is from an 78 rpm recording; the sound quality is not the best but is sufficient to convey the beauty of the rendition. The duration is 3:56 minutes and the recording in encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Faraaj73 Jan 12 2009, 04:47 PM
Lovely uploads, Faraaj! I am a big fan of Barkat Ali Khan's - I hadn't heard his rendition of this thumri before. Thanks a ton!
I am uploading another rendition of this beautiful thumri by Sureshbabu Mane, son and disciple of Abdul Karim Khan and elder brother of Hirabai Barodekar. Sureshbabu was a wonderful singer who died tragically early. This is from an 78 rpm recording; the sound quality is not the best but is sufficient to convey the beauty of the rendition. The duration is 3:56 minutes and the recording in encoded in mp3 @ 160 kbps.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Hi Abhay
His voice resembles his father's...I feel that Ustad Karim Khan Saab had a slightly soft, almost feminine voice....unlike for example Ustad Faiyaz Khan (I still regularly hear his Jhan Jhan Payal Baje - obscenely good!!!)....however, he more than compensates that with his singing ability.....
Do download the Barkat Ali Khan rendition....I don't want to play favourites and compare him to Ustad Amanat Ali but he's given an excellent rendition.....
I have more filmi/classical coming up over the next ten days....keeping the seat warm for you
....I expect payback in the form of some Faiyaz Khan and Rasoolan Bai pieces!!!Kind Regards
Faraaj
Posted by: Faraaj73 Jan 13 2009, 03:34 PM
You will find three short Bahar pieces in the companion thread in Sangeet Ke Sitaare. They are:
Bhimsen Joshi, Manna Dey - Ketaki Gulab Juhi Champak Ban
Salamat Ali Khan - Des Des Ki Thi Jung
Zohrabai Agrewali - Tori Jele Jele Edi Edi
All are available at the following link:
http://www.hamaraforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=66339&view=findpost&p=564268
Kind Regards
Faraaj
Posted by: Kaansen Feb 20 2009, 03:00 PM
Abhay,
Eagerly awaiting some more gems from you.
Kaansen
Thanks, Kaansen! I am enjoying myself thoroughly; I hope those who read these posts and listen to the uploads share that sense of enjoyment.
A request: no 'ji', please!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: Faraaj73 Feb 20 2009, 04:32 PM
Abhay,
Eagerly awaiting some more gems from you.
Kaansen
I second that! Those posts are among the very best in the past one year...and the erudite commentary makes them especially valuable....
Posted by: bawlachintu Mar 9 2009, 03:32 PM
Can anyone shed some light on
Meera Bhajan- "Jo tum todo piya -classical and bollywood connection.
Posted by: abhayp Mar 9 2009, 11:30 PM
Can anyone shed some light on
Meera Bhajan- "Jo tum todo piya -classical and bollywood connection.
Except for a variation rendered by Lakshmi Shankar (more on that below), I can't remember any rendition of "jo tum to.Do piyaa" by any classical singer. The versions we hear are the film versions: Lata Mangeshkar (twice over, once in "Jhanak Jhanak Paayal Baaje" and then in "Silsila") and Vani Jairam (in "Meera").
I used to have a cassette of Lakshmi Shankar's in which she sang a variant of "jo tum to.Do piyaa" which was credited to Rohidas/Ravidas. That cassette also had two brilliant renditions by her - "hari mukh pe chandaa balihaarii" and "ehi muraare kunja vihaare". I lost the cassette some years ago and have never been able to find the collection - or individual songs from it - anywhere else. If anyone does have those songs, please do upload them!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Posted by: abhayp Mar 9 2009, 11:32 PM
Abhay,
Eagerly awaiting some more gems from you.
Kaansen
I second that! Those posts are among the very best in the past one year...and the erudite commentary makes them especially valuable....
Kaansen, Faraaj: Thank you for the kinds words! I noticed your posts only today. Will surely upload a few more in this chain over the next week.
Warm regards,
Abhay
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